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1 | Is God so shortsighted? | 1 Tim 2:11 | Hank | 9576 | ||
In total agreement with you, Tim. We simply must gather all the information that is available on difficult passages such as the Timothy passage on women and the church. While no one can lay a legitimate claim that extra-biblical historical sources are divinely inspired, even we who believe in the errancy of Scripture do Scripture no disservice by availing ourselves of whatever historical documents there are extant that shed background on Bible times, people, places, laws, societal mores, etc. Secular history is far more expansive on these topics than the Bible generally is. The Bible was never meant to be, and certainly isn't, a comprehensive history of the world. Every single book of the Bible was written at a certain time and place, and in a certain culture and setting. Therefore, the more one can learn of the environment and the circumstances that may have been peculiar to that book, the better position we find ourselves in to understand and appreciate what it is saying. In saying this I do not take away the absolute necessity for the guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit in leading us to know the truth of Scripture. But the Scriptures also command us to exert all effort -- to be dilgent as a workman -- to handle accurately the word of truth (2 Tim.2:15) Perhaps a little "fear and trembling" is involved in this too..... This is a complex issue about women's role in the church. In our society it has become quite an item of debate and controversy. It's easy enough to shrug off the subject as being a non-issue by saying simply, "Oh, it applied to them back there in the first century, but it doesn't apply to us today." This careless disregard for the authority and aptness of Scripture is, I fervently submit, one of the major causes of so much outright apostacy in the church in our time..... I think this passage in Timothy has a broader application than merely one place and one time. Paul ties it in with verses 13 and 14 of 1 Tim. 2. It is connected inextricably to God's design, not man's, for the separate roles of male and female from creation itself. God created man for certain roles and women for certain roles. One is no more important than the other. It is simply God's plan. And it's hard to tag God as a chauvinist. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Is God so shortsighted? | 1 Tim 2:11 | EdB | 9588 | ||
Hank I'm in agreement with you and Tim on this. The point I'm trying to make is God is a precise God. He told Moses to strike the rock once Moses hit it twice. God said use my fire, Korath’s group used their own. Little things almost insignificant when viewed in the grand scope of creation and salvation. However every important to God. In many cases the church today will take something that appears insignificant but nonetheless the word of God and say, "well that was for back then, we don't do that anymore so it doesn't pertain to us." I submit to you the same question I did to Tim. Could our minimization of scriptures, in aspects to dress, holding things holy, who is qualified to do what jobs, social customs, religious customs and etc. be the reason the church today isn’t having the effect on the world that the first, second, and third century church did? Something changed and I submit to you it wasn’t God. Isaiah 55:8-9 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. Be blessed and be a blessing |
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3 | Is God so shortsighted? | 1 Tim 2:11 | Hank | 9597 | ||
Hello, my friend EdB. If you will, Ed, I'd like to answer your question without speaking to each aspect of it separately, i.e., about dress, social custom, religious custom, qualifications for church offices, etc. and, in addition, speak to your concern about the tendency of the modern church to rationalize Scriptural commands on the premise that this or that was for them then but not for us now....... Ed, I am 66 years old and have been a Christian for 52 of those years. In my lifetime thus far I have seen an erosion in the church -- and I use church in a broad, general sense -- of the authority accorded the word of God. When I was a young man, the Scriptures were held in awe and reverence. They were the final authority. The Scriptures were consulted when there was a spiritual need or problem -- not some survey or hot-shot "human relations" expert called in from halfway across the continent. The Scriptures were studied for Christian growth and guidance -- not some "quarterly" or "workbook" dedicated to "feel-good religion" and written likely as not by a disciple of secular humanism. The Scriptures were prayed over and meditated upon -- not questioned and debated endlessly. The church looked to the Scriptures for an answer to social and moral issues and ills -- not to the "politically correct" movers and shakers of our time who have sold the church a bill of goods....... You see, Ed and members of the forum, what I'm trying to say is that unless the church truly embraces this old Book, it is in deep trouble and plunging even deeper...... These things do not apply by any means to all churches across the land, and I thank God for that. But they most surely do apply to a shockingly large number of them. It is my deepest conviction, Ed, that the questions and concerns you have voiced would find their solution if Christians the world over returned to their knees in prayer and opened their hearts in humble submission to the inerrant authority of God's word. We've seen enough of "watered-down Christianity" to know it leads down a road of deception and spiritual bankruptcy. --Hank | ||||||
4 | Is God so shortsighted? | 1 Tim 2:11 | EdB | 9621 | ||
Amen Brother! Preach it!!!! I'll just stand here and fan you to keep you from over heating! :-) Seriously Hank you have my heart now. The Bible is more than an ancient work that has hung around a long time. It is LIFE and LIFE more ABUNDANTLY if we will only learn to LIVE BY IT. The world must stop discounting it as old fashion, non relevant, and out of touch. There is nothing more relevant, more in fashion, more in touch with today than the living Word of God! Most of the time we won’t read it and when we do we have a tendency to say, “oh that was back then this is now.” Instead we should be saying, “it worked back then just as God said it would and oh yes God also promised it would work now!” Praise God! Be Blessed and be a Blessing Ed |
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