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1 | Power of Michael the Archangel? | 2 Thess 2:7 | Brian#9 | 181093 | ||
Kalos Sir; Question , dose not Dan. 12:1 fit Rev 12:7 better than 2 THES. 2:7? How do you explain Jude 9 in relation to what you posted. In HIS Hand, Brian |
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2 | Power of Michael the Archangel? | 2 Thess 2:7 | jlhetrick | 181097 | ||
Hello Brian, Just a quick question while your waiting for Kalos. Wouldn't it be "in the name of the Lord" that Michael the archangel would do any and all rebuking? I couldn't imagine the angel using any other name to position his authority. Just curious by your question, Jeff |
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3 | Power of Michael the Archangel? | 2 Thess 2:7 | Brian#9 | 181106 | ||
Evening Jeff, Yes sir, Michael is weaker than Satan and only with GOD's power is he able. How dose that fit with him being the restrainer of 2 Thes 2:7? Would not GOD be the one? The HOLY SPIRIT here in the Church age would be a better fit , would it not? Dan. 12:1 deals with the Jews as Rev. 12:7 dose also. I just want Kalos to explain useing Scripture so I can understand his post. 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 1:7b, Brian |
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4 | Power of Michael the Archangel? | 2 Thess 2:7 | jlhetrick | 181116 | ||
Hello again brother Brian, I have always believed that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit. Honestly, because that's what I had always heard taught. I have said before that my walk with the Lord has been one of having to unlearn a lot of doctrine I had grown up with. Today may be an example of that. I do not wish to enter into the debate because I simply don't believe I can support an answer with Scripture at this point. I will refer you to post #181004 by our brother CDBJ. I will follow along with the more knowledgeable in my own search for understanding. Just a note though, my question to you was due to your apprent use of the Jude 9. The way you presented it, it appeared that you were of the opinion that Michael is not of sufficient power to be the restrainer. Thanks for your response, Jeff |
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5 | Power of Michael the Archangel? | 2 Thess 2:7 | Morant61 | 181139 | ||
Greetings Jeff! One thing about this debate is that it will never be definitively answered in this life since the verse does not identify the 'restrainer'. :-) Here are some old comments I made on this passage. They list several options concerning the identity of the restrainer. **************** Here is my promised attempt to work through 2 Thess. 2:1-12. Context: The context of the passage is clear. Some had apparently heard from someone that the promised future events (the coming of Christ and our being gathered together with Him) had already occurred (2 Thess. 2:1-2). This church appears to have been undergoing intense persecution and the hope of the coming of the Lord was a precious and important promise to them (see 1 Thess. 4-5). However, Paul did not want them to be mentally or emotionally unstable because of a false prophecy, rumor, or even a false letter (2 Thess. 2:2). The fact was that these two events could not take place until two things had occurred: 1) The rebellion occurs, and 2) The man of lawlessness is revealed (2 Thess. 2:3). Unfortunately for us, Paul only alludes to some things which he had already shared with the Thessalonicans (2 Thess. 2:5). So, there will be questions about this text that we will never be able to answer. The Man of Lawlessness Much of this text describes this man of lawlessness who must be revealed before the coming of the Lord and the gathering of the Saints. It is said of him that: 1) He will be a man, but a man characterized as being lawless - v. 3. 2) He will be destined for destruction (cf. Rev. 17:8,11) - v. 3. 3) He will oppose God - v. 4. 4) He will exalt himself over God - v. 4. 5) He will even declare himself to be god in the temple - v. 4. 6) He will be revealed (passive, so someone else reveals or exposes him for who he is) - v. 8. 7) He will be overthrown and destroyed by Christ at His coming - v. 8. 8) His appearance will be with signs, wonders, and evil - vv. 9-10. 9) His appearance will be Satanic in nature - v. 9. The Restrainer All of this is pretty basic to the text. The real questions come when we turn our attention to the meaning of verses 6 and 7. It is clear that the Thessalonicans knew who or what was restraining the man of lawlessness (2 Thess. 2:6), but unfortunately for us, Paul never identifies the restrainer. What do we know for sure? 1) Paul and his audience both knew who or what the restrainer was - v. 6. 2) The purpose of the restraint was to prevent the man of lawlessness from being revealed at an improper time - v. 6. 3) The restraint is presently active - v. 7. 4) The restraint will be removed at some point in the future - v. 7. 5) At that point, the man of lawlessness will be revealed - v. 8. Conclusions The simple fact is that no one can state with any certainty the identity of the restrainer. Scripture is silent on this issue. Thus, any attempts on our part to name the restrainer can only be considered guesses. Here are several assumptions which I believe can be made about the restrainer. 1) The nature of the restraint must be supernatural. 2) The activity of the restrainer has last almost 2,000 years now. Both of these facts indicate that the restrainer could not be a human being. This leads us to the conclusions which some have advanced concerning the identity. a) The Roman Empire. b) Government in general. c) The Church. d) The Holy Spirit. e) And (new to me), Michael the Archangel. I think a) is an impossible position since the Roman empire no longer exists and therefore could not be currently restraining the man of lawlessness. I think b) is questionable. In what sense could a government restrain supernatural evil? I think c), d), and e) are all possible answers. The only problem I have with e) is that there is nothing else in Scripture that indicates this. Dan. 12:1 does not (in my opinion) support this view. Even if it did, Dan. 12:1 identifies Michael as the protector of Israel, not the world. In my view, either c) or d) would be the most likely answers. The Church could be seen as a restraining force until it’s removal from the scene. The Holy Spirit would definitely be able to restrain the man of lawlessness. Ultimately, the real importance of this passage is not in the identify of the restrainer, but in the fact that even the man of lawlessness is subject to God’s sovereign plan. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Power of Michael the Archangel? | 2 Thess 2:7 | jlhetrick | 181154 | ||
Hello and thanks brother Tim. I agree that it is impossible to know for sure who the restrainer is, although some "guesses" are better supported from Scripture. Fortunately for me, at this time, the Lord has not put a burden on my heart and mind about it. It doesn't matter much to me who or what the restrainer is, especially knowing that, as you pointed out, the Lord God is in control of it all. Still, I somehow got involved in this thread (by posting of course) and have enjoyed the education on the matter. Personally, I love the fact that God's word has mysteries that can not be truly known completely this side of glory. For me, it is the journey in learning that I can not know all about something that teaches me so much. Again, thanks for your well articulated post. God bless, Jeff |
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7 | Power of Michael the Archangel? | 2 Thess 2:7 | DocTrinsograce | 181157 | ||
For me... I just think it is the providence of God. That may be a cop out, but the theological issues arising from the "Left Behind" camp are just a bit to messy for my taste. Just my two widow's mites. |
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