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1 | Rapture? Pre? Mid? Post? | 2 Thess 2:3 | kalos | 159270 | ||
Does the Bible Teach an "Any Moment" Rapture? 'WHAT ABOUT IMMINENCY? '...the doctrine of imminency is nowhere taught in Scripture. The concept that Christ could return at "any moment" since His departure back to heaven is simply not taught anywhere in the entire Bible. Not one of the passages used to sustain imminency, actually teach imminency. Expectancy, yes. Imminency (an any-moment rapture), no. 'If imminency had been the concept that the writers had wanted to convey, it could have and would have been clearly stated (in fact 19th century promoters of pretribulationism initially taught expectancy rather than imminency for this reason). In addition, there were many events prophesied by Christ, known throughout the Christian world at that time, that still had to occur before He could return, such as the destruction of the Temple (Lk. 21:6) and the death of Peter (Jn. 21:18-19). Imminency was an impossibility until the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. 'Likewise, Christ taught that His rescue of the elect of God will occur "on the same day" that His wrath will begin upon the wicked that remain (Lk 17:26-30). There is no gap of time between the rapture and His wrath. If the seventieth week of Daniel is really the wrath of God, as pretribulationism maintains, and the seventieth week begins with Israel's covenant with Antichrist (Dan. 9:27), then Israel must be back in the land AND ANTICHRIST MUST BE ON THE WORLD SCENE BEFORE the Rapture, a simple deduction which once again destroys the unbiblical concept of imminency. 'But the prewrath position has no problem with any of these passages, including Revelation 12:12, where the persecution of Antichrist against the "elect" of God during the great tribulation is not called the wrath of God, but rather, the wrath of Satan. Pretribulationism makes Antichrist's persecution of God's elect the wrath of God. Prewrath rapturism sees this great persecution as the wrath of Satan (Rev. 12:12). Antichrist's persecution of God's elect is never the wrath of God (Mt. 24:21-22; Rev. 12:7; 13:7; 14:12-13).' ____________________ Questions for a Pretribulationist (Emphasis added.) 'By Robert Van Kampen and Rev. Roger Best (www.solagroup.org/ articles/endtimes/et_0006.html) |
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2 | Rapture? Pre? Mid? Post? | 2 Thess 2:3 | Makarios | 159301 | ||
Greetings John! I most heartily agree with you on this subject of eschatology and the supposed 'imminency' of the rapture. I also believe that the answer can be found in Scripture by looking at Scripture as a whole rather than attempting to base a specific view on only selected verses. We know that the Pretribulation position argues that the church will not see the wrath of God, primarily using Romans 5:19, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:9, and Revelation 3:10 as proof-texts. However, those who hold to the Posttribulation position maintain that the church will undergo the persecution of Antichrist, basing their position on Matthew 24:21-22,29-31, 2 Thess. 2:1-8, Rev. 13:3-10, 14:9-12. So, with two completely different and seemingly contradictory positions being supported by different passages of Scripture, can we possibly find some middle ground, since we know that the Bible does not contradict itself? I firmly believe that the Prewrath view is supported by all Scripture verses within their context, harmonizing the verses so frequently quoted by Pretribulationists and Posttribulationists alike. The prewrath view (so well stated in your profile) "is the position that the true church will be raptured when the great tribulation by Antichrist, inspired by Satan, is cut short by God's day-of-the-Lord wrath, (Matt. 24:22) which will occur between the sixth and seventh seals of Revelation, sometime during the second half of the seventieth week. (cf. Rev. 7:9-17) The persecution associated with the great tribulation of Antichrist is viewed as the wrath of Satan, whereas the events that follow beginning with the seventh seal, are considered the wrath of God." (www.solagroup.org) Blessings to you, Nolan |
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