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1 | Rapture? Pre? Mid? Post? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mhapcat | 159198 | ||
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2 | Rapture? Pre? Mid? Post? | 2 Thess 2:3 | kalos | 159270 | ||
Does the Bible Teach an "Any Moment" Rapture? 'WHAT ABOUT IMMINENCY? '...the doctrine of imminency is nowhere taught in Scripture. The concept that Christ could return at "any moment" since His departure back to heaven is simply not taught anywhere in the entire Bible. Not one of the passages used to sustain imminency, actually teach imminency. Expectancy, yes. Imminency (an any-moment rapture), no. 'If imminency had been the concept that the writers had wanted to convey, it could have and would have been clearly stated (in fact 19th century promoters of pretribulationism initially taught expectancy rather than imminency for this reason). In addition, there were many events prophesied by Christ, known throughout the Christian world at that time, that still had to occur before He could return, such as the destruction of the Temple (Lk. 21:6) and the death of Peter (Jn. 21:18-19). Imminency was an impossibility until the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. 'Likewise, Christ taught that His rescue of the elect of God will occur "on the same day" that His wrath will begin upon the wicked that remain (Lk 17:26-30). There is no gap of time between the rapture and His wrath. If the seventieth week of Daniel is really the wrath of God, as pretribulationism maintains, and the seventieth week begins with Israel's covenant with Antichrist (Dan. 9:27), then Israel must be back in the land AND ANTICHRIST MUST BE ON THE WORLD SCENE BEFORE the Rapture, a simple deduction which once again destroys the unbiblical concept of imminency. 'But the prewrath position has no problem with any of these passages, including Revelation 12:12, where the persecution of Antichrist against the "elect" of God during the great tribulation is not called the wrath of God, but rather, the wrath of Satan. Pretribulationism makes Antichrist's persecution of God's elect the wrath of God. Prewrath rapturism sees this great persecution as the wrath of Satan (Rev. 12:12). Antichrist's persecution of God's elect is never the wrath of God (Mt. 24:21-22; Rev. 12:7; 13:7; 14:12-13).' ____________________ Questions for a Pretribulationist (Emphasis added.) 'By Robert Van Kampen and Rev. Roger Best (www.solagroup.org/ articles/endtimes/et_0006.html) |
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3 | Rapture? Pre? Mid? Post? | 2 Thess 2:3 | mark d seyler | 159279 | ||
Joh 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? 21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? There was a rumor going around. They whispered, and watched, as the years went by, one by one, and John grew older and older. "The Master said that John wouldn't die before He would return! Surely He's coming soon!" We know that this rumor wasn't true. But this also tells us that the disciples did not have a reason to think that Jesus wasn't coming back at any time. It would have been a simple matter to say that, no, Jesus didn't actually say that, and besides, He can't come till the temple is destroyed. To which the disciples would have rightfully replied, "Oh, then we don't need to be standing ready at the door, ready to open as soon as He knocks! So He's going to call ahead!" Luk 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. The simple truth is that without imminency, you do not have expectency. This is simple logic. If I tell you to expect the train at any time, and I also tell you that you will see the handcar first, then you will not expect to see the train until you have seen the handcar. The "pre-wrath rapture", as commonly taught, is contrary to the teaching of expectency, because it specifically teaches that Jesus will not return until a series of events has occured. We cannot properly comment on why God did or did not clearly state doctrine and teaching. The Trinity only reveals itself with careful study. The centuries from then til now have been characturized by the profound truths that were brought out of the scriptures in those times, as the church studies this most profound of books. Daniel, a prophecy of the end times, was specifically sealed until the end. If you ever wonder what that sealing was worth, read Sir Isaac Newton's commentaries on Daniel and Revelation. Newton is considered the greatest scientist of all time, and was a committed Christian, who spent decades studying end times prophecies. He penned over a million words of Biblical commentary, yet his grasp of eschatology demonstrates clearly that God had not yet unsealed those prophecies. Some things were not meant to be known until the time in which they came. Just as when Jesus came the first time, most misunderstood, buy a few understood. The prophets did not always understand what they prophesied. There is no difficulty with the rapture at the beginning of the seventieth week. We simply recognize that Jesus can return at any moment, and understand that God can arrange events to happen even very quickly to accomodate His plan. Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;" Jesus says "be ready". He does not say, when you see the antichrist sit in the temple, get ready. Does it seem like a good idea to say "My Lord isn't coming back today, such and such hasn't happened yet"? Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Be ready for the coming of Jesus. |
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