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1 | What do YOU think, fellow Berian? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Bill Mc | 14115 | ||
Hi Nicodemus, Thanks for your input, brother. Although I greatly respect Charles C. Ryrie (I, too, have one of the study Bibles), I believe we need to excercise caution when refering to the study notes. Yes, Ryrie does make the statement: "5:23-24 spirit and soul and body should NOT be understood as defining the parts of man, but as representing the whole man." (1 Thess. 5:23) (emphasis mine) My question is, upon what evidence does he base his conclusion? Please don't misunderstand me. I have nothing against Ryrie. What I don't understand is - what has happened to critical thought in the 'Christian community'? Many questions on this forum are answered with 'copy and paste' answers out of one study Bible or another. And, while I agree that a good study Bible is a fine supplement to understanding scripture, I don't believe that it's commentary ever carries the divine inspiration we have in the Word of God. I believe that the scripture we have is our sole source for God's revelation to men. Yes, I believe that God, in His grace, has 'illumined' scripture down through the ages through various Christians. But I view their contributions as supplementary, not substitutionary. All that being said, the Greek DOES make a distinction in these two passages between spirit and soul as you have noted, the spirit (pneuma) and the soul (psuche). Ryrie says that he feels that a destinction SHOULDN'T be made, Nelson's says that a distinction is IMPLIED, and the Scofield says they ARE divisible and distinguished (in certain cases). It seems our 'theologians' are not in agreement. So, brother, what do YOU think? I can read my Ryrie, Nelson, Scofield, NIV Study, Matthew Henry, etc. for myself. But what do YOU think? I would appreciate LIVE interaction with fellow brothers and sisters on these issues. One last disclaimer (humor me). I am just as guilty. The web address that I posted does have a 'theologian's' interpretation there. I understand and accept that that is what it is. I'm just curious as to what other 'live' Christians may think? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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2 | What do YOU think, fellow Berian? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Makarios | 14132 | ||
Hello there Bill. Ryrie and Scofield and the creators of the Thomas Nelson Bible are/where all REAL people! And they created their resources for the very purpose of helping us in our understanding of the Bible! If you do not like the use of such resources as this, then that is Ok. But I strongly disagree with you when you try to "belittle" them. Yes, they should not be used in the place of Scripture, and Scripture stands alone. But one should not dismiss them on a whim!! You should not dismiss anyone on any Biblical subject so quickly when you have only spent 30 seconds analyzing a verse and these have spent half of their lives interpreting the Bible! What qualifications do you have? Are you anywhere near as prepared as they to answer specific questions about the Bible? Of course you are not. And neither am I! As for my opinion, I agree with Scofield here. And yes, Scofield was a LIVE Christian! :) I will continue to use any resources that I see fit to put onto this Forum. --Nicodemus |
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3 | Why are we so quick to take offense? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Bill Mc | 14232 | ||
Hi Nicodemus, Brother, perhaps you misunderstood my posting. I was not 'belittleling' anyone. I was not dismissing anyone 'on a whim.' I was not saying not to use resources that you are comfortable with. I was not saying that these theologians were not LIVE Christians. I was trying to get some input and opinions from fellow believers. I can consult my commentaries anytime. They are a great resource to me, especially at trying to understand the meaning behind the original languages. But are we becoming like many believers in the church at Corinth? (I am of Apollos, I am of Cephas, I am of Paul). Questions are posted and many answers are "Ryrie says," "Scofield says," - end of subject - no further discussion. Yes, these men have spent great portions of their lives studying the Bible. But they do, at times, disagree. (See Scofield's creation 'gap' theory) So what do we do when they disagree or say that they are not sure of the exact meaning or give us a range of interpretations? Or, as many Catholics believe, are we not allowed to interpret the scriptures for ourselves? Permit me to reverse the questions: (Please use scripture to support your answer) What qualifications do I need to understand God's Word for what it says? How prepared do I need to be to answer specific Bible questions? How much of my life do I need to spend interpreting scripture before I can know it's meaning? Nicodemus, you did answer my question. You said you agreed with Scofield. Thank you. That was what I was seeking. I did not intend to offend you. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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4 | Why are we so quick to take offense? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Makarios | 14293 | ||
Greetings Bill, I agree that we can get a little 'bogged down' with resources, and I, for one, am one of the 'most prolific' users of such resources on this Forum. I believe and agree that we should strive to 'condense' the material drawn from them- and this is something that I will try to 'curb' myself- rather then making many posts with little information concerning the question at hand and much information concerning everything else. However, I believe that such commentaries and resources reflect some great insights on particular points in Scripture. Granted, we should not use them at every single turn, but they are nonetheless important and if they contribute to a specific question or discussion, then I see no harm in using them. Should we avoid the use of such resources that have been provided and created specifically for this very reason? I agree that the Bible is the authority itself. However, I also view the use of a resource as 'someone else's opinion'. I have found by 'looking at someone else's opinion' has at times helped me very much in my own study of the Bible. And I will not discontinue my use of resources or citing them on this Forum. --Nicodemus |
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5 | Why are we so quick to take offense? | 1 Thess 5:23 | Bill Mc | 14301 | ||
Nicodemus, I concur 100 percent. That is precisely why I am here (on this forum) asking some of my questions. I believe the NASB is the most accurate, literal translation we have in the English language today. But I believe that because of a consensus of biblical scholars, not because I know greek. I can read what it says, but I don't always know what it MEANS. That is where I need the Holy Spirit (primarily), other scripture, and fellow believers, theologians, and scholars to help me. So, no, we should not AVOID the use of great resources that are available. And I am not asking you (or anyone else) to discontinue using them. But, as you have said, they are 'someone else's opinion' as are ALL my posts. Thanks again. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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