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1 | Holy Living | 1 Thess 4:7 | DocTrinsograce | 174080 | ||
"Holiness does not consist in mystic speculations, enthusiastic fervors, or uncommanded austerities; it consists in thinking as God thinks and willing as God wills." --John Brown (1722–1787) | ||||||
2 | Holy Living | 1 Thess 4:7 | kalos | 174083 | ||
Ecstatic Moments The following quote is in agreement with what John Brown wrote about "enthusiastic fervors". Christian growth in our lives is not achieved by ecstatic moments at the altar. That is not the way God works in the life of the believer. --John MacArthur Grace to you, Kalos |
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3 | Holy Living | 1 Thess 4:7 | eklektos | 174084 | ||
Dearest Kalos and Doctrinograce, With all due respect, the next question to John MacArthur would be, "Tell me exactly how God works!" How does he know what one experiences in the privacy of ones closet? Ask David what he learned by his estatic times with God. May it be that Mr. MacAuthor has very had a personal experience with the Lord? I am not his judge, but NO one can say how God works. This is very well evident thoughout the dialogs in Job. "Who has been His counselor?" Hold me, I love you, eklektos |
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4 | Holy Living | 1 Thess 4:7 | DocTrinsograce | 174087 | ||
Dear Eklektos, We are blessed that the Scripture does not leave us ignorant of such things. We needn't depend on experiences, and other vagaries that come and go based on a thousand different circumstances in this world. We have the very Word of God, that the Holy Spirit illumines to our understanding, applies to our hearts, and transforms our lives. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might UNDERSTAND the things freely given us by God. (1 Corinthians 2:12 ESV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. (Galatians 5:22-25 ESV) We do not see any command for "estatic times" (sic). See how many calls there are for sober mindedness and calmness of spirit. In Him, Doc |
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5 | Holy Living | 1 Thess 4:7 | eklektos | 174091 | ||
Dearest Doctrinograce, Well understood. Even the prophesy of Joel also is understood, dream dreams, having visions, is this not sober mindedness or is it madness? Does one see these dreams or visions in public or in private? Tell me tearcher! What are the dreams about? What are the visions about? Tell me if you have wisdom! We are NOT dependent on experiences. You KNOW that and I know that! Experiences happen and you KNOW that. Have you not had an experience, a private time with our Lord, when you where ecstatic, in prayer, when you could not speak, but all you could do was weep, weep for the future or because of your past or of one that is deep in need? In all your experiences with our Lord, tell me you have never come to the point in all your prayer life, with all your Scriptural knowledge, where you were completely void of self-expression. Tell me teacher; how does the Lord work in MY life? Do you READ only Scripture? Are you talking with God as Adam did in the cool of the garden? Their dialog was not recorded, is it un-Scriptural? Christianity is not a textbook but a Personal relationship, personal, personal relationship, a time for talking and a time for listening. What do you think you will hear … something un-Scriptural? NOT! (Mat 6:6) But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Then, after our communion, we share it, if so ordered, that which the Lord has revealed to us. Not all things that Jesus did are expressed in the Scriptures: (Joh 21:25) Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. In addition, not all things the Lord God of Heaven does are in the Scriptures. One can miss heaven by 18 inches. Lovingly, Still Your Brother, eklektos |
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6 | Holy Living | 1 Thess 4:7 | DocTrinsograce | 174092 | ||
Dear Eklektos, You are, of course, welcome to your personal position and particular practice. Thank you for sharing. Our forum, however, is a Study BIBLE Forum -- not a Study Experience Forum, nor a Study Mysticism Forum. Our interest is in the study of the Word of God. It is predicated on the doctrines of the clarity, sufficiency, necessity, and authority of the Bible. Although we believe that the Holy Spirit illumines our understanding of the Scripture, we believe in the verbal plenary inspiration of the Scriptures. This is why the Lockman Foundation has invested so much scholarly time, effort, and expertise in the translation of the text of Scripture. Should any of us have an interest in these other things of which you write, there are many, many other forums on the Internet in which we can and should participate. (If you need help to find them, please email me directly.) However, I suspect that those forums would also appreciate their participants staying on the topic for which they were formed. Your enthusiasm is obvious, and your sincerity is not doubted. Thank you, again, for investing time and effort in your reply. In Him, Doc |
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7 | Holy Living | 1 Thess 4:7 | eklektos | 174093 | ||
Dearest Doctrinograce, Thank you very much for speaking for the entire forum. I am sure that all the participants have the same mind since you said so. Christ had the same problem with the Pharisees. I still love you and pray that you will see. All that has and ear, there is no malice here. eklektos |
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8 | Holy Living | 1 Thess 4:7 | Hank | 174098 | ||
Eklektos: Is it some form of spiritual myopia that has come over me, or do I detect a trace of mordancy in your response to Doc? ...... How can an explanation of the aims and purposes of Study Bible Forum, such as what Doc gave you, be linked with Christ's problem with the Pharisees? There again, my myopia must be acting up. I don't get it. I don't understand why anyone would want to snap at the hand that was trying to guide and help him. ........ May I kindly suggest, yea, urge you, to assign yourself the lowly task of carefully reading Lockman's exposition of the purpose and design of SBF along with the guidelines the Foundation has laid down. Considerable thought and effort have gone into these directives, and they are not to be taken lightly. It is academic whether Doc spoke for all Forum registrants. He did, however, give you an accurate account of the Forum's raison d'etre, as well as some tips for proper use of the Forum, all of which are fully in accord with the Forum's published guidelines that appear in various side bars under "Resources" at the left of the home page screen. ..... It behooves all of us to pay earnest heed to these guidelines. Knowing and playing by the rules makes the game a heap more fun and tends to keep the referee off one's back. I do hope you take these suggestions in the spirit in which they are given, which is merely to remind us all and keep us reminded of what kind of a Forum this is and of how we are supposed to behave as registrants. ...... A parting word on what the Forum IS NOT. It IS NOT a medium for exchanging anecdotes of perceived special or private revelation, dream sequences, glossolalia experiences, testimonials of being 'slain in the spirit' or any other extra-biblical experiences, doctrines, hunches, convictions, etc. We meet on these pages to study Scripture together, not to bloviate about our special insights and spiritual gifts, or to convert others to our opinions and pet doctrines, or to speak harshly and disparagingly to or about those whose religious convictions may not always mirror our own. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." --Hank | ||||||
9 | Holy Living | 1 Thess 4:7 | eklektos | 174116 | ||
Hello Hank, Thank you. My rebuttal came when someone posted the following: "Christian growth in our lives is not achieved by ecstatic moments at the altar. That is not the way God works in the life of the believer. --John MacArthur" Then I was told ecstatic experiences were not Scriptural. Act 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me: And this: Act 22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance; could be summarized as an ecstatic moment at the alter - reproving the words of John MacArthur. eklektos |
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