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1 | Do we play or pray? | Col 2:16 | kalos | 7276 | ||
"Are the Sabbath laws binding on Christians today? " "We believe the Old Testament regulations governing Sabbath observances are ceremonial, not moral, aspects of the law. As such, they are no longer in force, but have passed away along with the sacrificial system, the Levitical priesthood, and all other aspects of Moses' law that prefigured Christ. . . . Here are the reasons we hold this view. "In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons. "The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant. "The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath. "In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7). "Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle. "There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai. "When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers. "The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them. "In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath). "In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers). "The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century). "Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11). "So while we still follow the pattern of designating one day of the week a day for the Lord's people to gather in worship, we do not refer to this as "the Sabbath." (www.gty.org Click on Issues and Answers. Click on Previous Topics) ************************* S: "BTW the Lord did not break the Sabbath according to the Law, only the tradition." J: That's what I said. S: "It does not make sense to observe the day of rest on another day now, when has to be changed back." J: "Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath" (John MacArthur). The Sabbath originally was given simply and only as a day of complete rest for man and beast. This being so, WHO is observing the Sabbath day of rest on another day now? I ask you and I tell you: with the exception of a few borderline cults, nobody. To my knowledge (which I am not too arrogant to admit is limited) no Evangelical church practices or enforces Sabbath keeping as a matter of obligation. S: "Scofield is not correct." J: If my memory serves me correctly, this is the first time I've been compelled to say the following of anyone on this Forum: Butler is not correct. IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS or comments about the quoted writings of either Scofield or MacArthur, I suggest you address your questions to Scofield or MacArthur or their respective publishers. I am under no obligation to explain or defend the writings of others. |
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2 | 10 Commandments or 9? | Col 2:16 | zyph | 9038 | ||
"There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai." What about Exodus 16:5? This chapter occurred before the ten commandments were given. This is clearly not a ceremonial Sabbath, as the whole week is mentioned, and it appears that this was the regular instruction regarding manna. Therefore, God Himself was instituting a regular seventh day sabbath. "Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle." In the commandment, the "stranger within thy gates" is commanded to observe the sabbath. God never commanded Gentile nations to act like the Israelites, but if they wanted to join with them, then they had to comply. If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons." Actually, several convocations were called "sabbaths" denoting days of rest, so it would not be out of context to say that Paul might have been referring to the annual-type sabbaths. After all, when "law" is spoken of in the New Testament, it can mean the moral law, or the ceremonial law. Much of Paul's writings refer to ceremonial law, which prefigured Christ. I have difficulty getting it straight in my mind that only one of the commandments is now no longer in force. I know some christians believe that as long as you have said the words to accept salvation, you can then live an atrocious life, and still be saved. But Jesus Himself often said things like, "Go, and sin no more." Surely He wasn't asking people to do the impossible. So obedience is still an issue as a response to having been saved. Obedience to what? I can't get away from the ten commandments as being special. On someone else's post, they wrote that God Himself wrote the commandments with His own hand. I find that a compelling argument for the fact that these were separate from laws and rituals designed to prefigure Christ's sacrifice. When the curtain of the temple was torn in two, at the time Christ died, that didn't do away with temple worship. It simply meant that the reality had now occurred, and looking forward was no longer relevant. Nothing in the sabbath issue looks forward to Christ. Neither do any of the ten commandments, as far as I can see. Aren't these the law that God will write in our hearts? |
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3 | 10 Commandments or 9? | Col 2:16 | melchizedekau | 9048 | ||
hi i will put it very simply, because that is the way i understand things. Salvation was for the Jews only ,so they thought. they were a seperated people to the Lord. in cerimonies, in living. in eating, in marriage , in everything all that they did involved God.Now if the Holy Spirit was Given to the gentiles, as Jesus knew the True will of God was to be, how could every one keep the sabath at the same time when the world was round? The old Law was based upon seperation and doing.If you sinned then you could sacrifice and be forgiven, and still be the samein thoughts. Salvation is based upon attitude and love it is a heart issue, but in the law you could think what you wanted as long as you didnt do it.Jesus came and reopened that can of worms to say love your Lord God with all you heart, mind, and strength and your neighbor as your self. keeping a Holy day to the Lord is also an heart attitude that is why Colossians 2:16 says let no man judge you concerning.....sabaths. For every thing is open to the Lord in this age of Christ. If your heart condemns you not then you have confidence toward God.It is simple really, our commandments are the Beattitudes Math 5. Jesus said come unto me all that are heavy laden and i will give you rest. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. what is His yoke and His burden? obedience and love. That is all we are to rest in.Obedience to the Holy Spirits unctioning and prompting and Love to the stranger, brother and sister. YIC. | ||||||