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1 | Do we play or pray? | Col 2:16 | kalos | 7276 | ||
"Are the Sabbath laws binding on Christians today? " "We believe the Old Testament regulations governing Sabbath observances are ceremonial, not moral, aspects of the law. As such, they are no longer in force, but have passed away along with the sacrificial system, the Levitical priesthood, and all other aspects of Moses' law that prefigured Christ. . . . Here are the reasons we hold this view. "In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons. "The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant. "The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath. "In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7). "Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle. "There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai. "When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers. "The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them. "In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath). "In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers). "The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century). "Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11). "So while we still follow the pattern of designating one day of the week a day for the Lord's people to gather in worship, we do not refer to this as "the Sabbath." (www.gty.org Click on Issues and Answers. Click on Previous Topics) ************************* S: "BTW the Lord did not break the Sabbath according to the Law, only the tradition." J: That's what I said. S: "It does not make sense to observe the day of rest on another day now, when has to be changed back." J: "Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath" (John MacArthur). The Sabbath originally was given simply and only as a day of complete rest for man and beast. This being so, WHO is observing the Sabbath day of rest on another day now? I ask you and I tell you: with the exception of a few borderline cults, nobody. To my knowledge (which I am not too arrogant to admit is limited) no Evangelical church practices or enforces Sabbath keeping as a matter of obligation. S: "Scofield is not correct." J: If my memory serves me correctly, this is the first time I've been compelled to say the following of anyone on this Forum: Butler is not correct. IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS or comments about the quoted writings of either Scofield or MacArthur, I suggest you address your questions to Scofield or MacArthur or their respective publishers. I am under no obligation to explain or defend the writings of others. |
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2 | Do we play or pray? | Col 2:16 | Searcher56 | 7286 | ||
"Are the Sabbath laws binding on Christians today? " - Yes. Why is the fourth commandment the only one disgarded? "Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ" is not what Col. 2:16-17 says. Read it VERY carefully. This is another error by one that you follow. "There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses" ... well God did (Gen. 2:2). Where does "The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them."? Where does he talk about the first three commandments ... and the last five? We have been led astray - we do not rest like God commanded. No where are we told stop having a day holy where we focus on God and not out pleasures. I am done debating this with you. We will know the truth when we see the Lord. Steve I have written John - w/o any response from him. |
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3 | Do we play or pray? | Col 2:16 | kalos | 7293 | ||
"Such rules...have no real value in controlling physical passions. " 20 You have died with Christ and are set free from the ruling spirits of the universe. Why, then, do you live as though you belonged to this world? Why do you obey such rules as 21 "Don't handle this," "Don't taste that," "Don't touch the other"? 22 All these refer to things which become useless once they are used; they are only human rules and teachings. 23 Of course such rules appear to be based on wisdom in their forced worship of angels, and false humility, and severe treatment of the body; but they have no real value in controlling physical passions. (Today's English Version (TEV) Col 2.) SteveB: I am confused. You write: "I have written John - w/o any response from him." According to the current (as of this writing) tree of this thread: You asked a primary question. (8:43am) I replied to you. (11:19am) You replied to me. (11:33am) I, in turn, answered you. (12:38pm) You replied to me (2:55pm) saying, "I have written John - w/o any response from him." Now I'm replying to your post of 2:55pm. This is why I am confused. You wrote to me twice. I replied twice. The only other note from you that I know of is the one to which I am at this very moment replying to. If you sent me an email, I just checked my inbox and it shows no email from you. If you have written to me in a message to which I have not replied, then I overlooked your message. In this thread I have not intentionally failed to reply to you. I may indeed have failed to reply to one of your messages, but if so I was unaware of said message. **************************** You write:" This is another error by one that you follow." 1) I follow Christ. 2) Butler is not correct. You write: "I am done debating this with you." I am grateful and relieved that you are done debating this with me. As a Cardinals fan, I'd rather watch a Cubs baseball game. Because of the wording and attitude with which you write your questions and comments, it would be a total waste of my time to reply to you any further. I doubt that you will ever convince anyone of anything if your method is to use criticism and condemnation in your responses. Of course if you have no valid point, you have to find something to say, even if it is not correct. Apparently you have already made up your mind and have no desire to be confused by the facts. You write: "We will know the truth when we see the Lord." I hope you will. I hope that his "interpretation" agrees with yours. Further, if it does not, I hope against hope that you will not make the pronouncement that "The Lord is not correct." In conclusion, I now write: "I am done debating this with you." I wonder if it's been a true debate or if it was merely two simultaneous monologues in which it was all talking and little listening on your part. In all fairness you did listen to me in order to gather ammunition with which to criticize and condemn me, Dr. Scofield, Dr. MacArthur and anyone else who might have the temerity to disagree with you. Since neither Sabbath keeping nor non-Sabbath keeping is an essential Bible doctrine, then I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it. It's no sin for you to keep it as long as you keep it to and for yourself. |
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