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1 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | Makarios | 57016 | ||
[Taken from http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/baptism.htm] (Part 2 of 2) "Mark 16:16, a verse often quoted to prove baptism is necessary for salvation, is actually a proof of the opposite. Notice that the basis for condemnation in that verse is not the failure to be baptized, but only the failure to believe. Baptism is mentioned in the first part of the verse because it was the outward symbol that always accompanied the inward belief. I might also mention that many textual scholars think it unlikely that vv. 9-20 are an authentic part of Mark's gospel. We can't discuss here all the textual evidence that has caused many New Testament scholars to reject the passage. But you can find a thorough discussion in Bruce Metzger, et al., A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, pp. 122-128, and William Hendriksen, The Gospel of Mark, pp. 682-687. Water baptism does not seem to be what Peter has in view in 1 Peter 3:21. The English word "baptism" is simply a transliteration of the Greek word baptizo, which means "to immerse." Baptizo does not always refer to water baptism in the New Testament (cf. Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; 7:4; 10:38-39; Luke 3:16; 11:38; 12:50; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 11:16; 1 Corinthians 10:2; 12:13). Peter is not talking about immersion in water, as the phrase "not the removal of dirt from the flesh" indicates. He is referring to immersion in Christ's death and resurrection through "an appeal to God for a good conscience," or repentance. I also do not believe water baptism is in view in Romans 6 or Galatians 3. I see in those passages a reference to the baptism in the Holy Spirit (cf. 1 Corinthians 12:13). For a detailed exposition of those passages, I refer you to my commentaries on Galatians and Romans, or the tapes of my sermons on Galatians 3 and Romans 6. In Acts 22:16, Paul recounts the words of Ananias to him following his experience on the Damascus road: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name." It is best to connect the phrase "wash away your sins" with "calling on His name." If we connect it with "be baptized," the Greek participle epikalesamenos ("calling") would have no antecedent. Paul's sins were washed away not by baptism, but by calling on His name. Baptism is certainly important, and required of every believer. However, the New Testament does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation." "© 2000 Grace to You" |
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2 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57032 | ||
Greetings! I couldn't disagree with you more in regards to Mark 16:16. I believe the KJ version of the Bible is perfect, because I serve a God who is perfect. I believe he is giving a command to the eleven, dispite their unbeif and hardness of heart (he unbraids them)(14) 15 And he said unto them, God ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to evrey creature, 16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned. This is consistant with John 3:16 and Acts 2:41 If they truely believed they were baptized with water. Water is used in baptism from Matthew through acts for immersion. What position would the Israelite be in if they would have "believed" but not put the blood over their doors? When the death angle passed over they would have been dead! I also disagree with 1 Peter 3:21 if you start with verse 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God (The Family of God), being put to death in the flesh (physical body), but quickened by the Spirit(Jesus was quicked by the Spirit during baptism in water);19 by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometimes were disobedient, when once the longsuffereing of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, where in few, that is, 8 souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure where unto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh but the answer of a good conscience toward God) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Water in the above verses are the example of the meaning of what baptism he was referring to. I will use Jesus as my example!I know he was baptized in water and filled with the Holy Spirit during immersion. He wasn't baptized for sin but to recieve the Holy Spirit so he could give the gift to those who believe. |
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3 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | Makarios | 57062 | ||
Greetings Rferg, I'm not sure what to make of your post.. The confusion begins with "I believe the KJ version of the Bible is perfect, because I serve a God who is perfect" and it gets more confusing from then on.. The King James Version of the Bible was not "inspired" or hand-written by God Himself. It is a revision of the manuscripts that are handed down to us, which are in themselves copies of what was first inspired. As for your commentary on John 3:16 and Acts 2:41, I fail to follow your reasoning, and it just doesn't make any sense. I am at a loss to understand the point that you tried to make in your last paragraph. Sorry, but I do not believe that you will be successful in proving to me that water baptism is essential to salvation. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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4 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | dasev | 57095 | ||
Dear Makarios, allow me to "weigh in" on something here, by asking if God is powerful enough to have made the heavens and the earth in six days, is He then not able to protect His book as a record? this is why i believe that WITH the Holy Spirit the Message of the written word is infallable. without the Holy Spirit the bible is mostly misunderstood. dasev | ||||||