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1 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57028 | ||
I know God didn't mean for this book to be full of confusion. He expected a child to be able to understand it. If this is true and we start at the "beginning" of the NT, which would be Matthew and read forward through the book of Acts (it doesn't take that long)the message you will find is after they heard the Gospel of Christ preached, and "believed" they repented and were baptized in water. This is repeated over and over as an example. Those who "believed" by the simple act of faith were baptized in water. JOhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. If, when you "believed" and are baptized in water, and at the time of emmersion you recieved the Holy Spirit (baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) you would be born again, now dead to sin and buried with him in baptism raised to walk in newness of life, born into the family of God and now a child of God, a new creation in christ, able to take communion with the Lord and abide on the vine, etc. why would you wait? This is how I see it. In verse 6 Flesh usually refers to the natural birth or sinful nature if I am correct, which would be referring to our physical birth from our mothers. If this is so, wouldn't the water in verse 5 refer to water baptism and not water and blood during natural child birth. In John 3:14 Why does it give the example of Moses lifting up the serpent referring to Num. 21:6 listed right after Jesus explaining to Nicodemus that he must be born again to enter the kingdom. In Num. IF they didn't look up they died, they had a choice and now through Christ so do we. If John 3:5 is not talking about water baptism what was the reason for the example. Then in John 3:16 it says For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotton Son, that whosoever "believes" in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. If you read this scripture alone it would seem all you have to do is believe but if you read from John 3:1 you will see that even though Nicodemus believed who Christ was (the Son of God)Jesus still told him he could not enter the kingdom of God unless he was born again JOhn 3:3. If you continue to read the entire chapter of 3 you will see that after darkness and light is explained in verse 22 they tarried and were baptizing and in 23 John was also baptizing in Aenon because there was much water there, and they came and were baptized. The entire chapter is about baptizing in water. In the book of Acts at Pentecost is the same example. REad 2:41 Lets go from here forward not in the middle of the NT we have had pleanty of examples by the time we get to Romans and 1 Cor. why does the meat of the doctrine need to be give over and over and over? |
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2 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | Morant61 | 57056 | ||
Greetings Referg! Good morning my friend! I'm not trying to be mean my friend, but you made some very unusual statments about John! Allow me to touch upon a few of them. 1) You wrote: "In verse 6 Flesh usually refers to the natural birth or sinful nature if I am correct, which would be referring to our physical birth from our mothers. If this is so, wouldn't the water in verse 5 refer to water baptism and not water and blood during natural child birth." Why? Verse six is simply a further explanation of verse five. Simply because physical birth is mentioned in verse six doesn't rule it out in verse five. 2) You wrote: "n John 3:14 Why does it give the example of Moses lifting up the serpent referring to Num. 21:6 listed right after Jesus explaining to Nicodemus that he must be born again to enter the kingdom. In Num. IF they didn't look up they died, they had a choice and now through Christ so do we. If John 3:5 is not talking about water baptism what was the reason for the example." Why did Jesus use the example of Num. 21:6? Simply because it was an example of what was going to happen to Him. Just as the pole was lifted up, so also Christ was going to be lifted up on the cross. 3) You wrote: " If you read this scripture alone it would seem all you have to do is believe but if you read from John 3:1 you will see that even though Nicodemus believed who Christ was (the Son of God)Jesus still told him he could not enter the kingdom of God unless he was born again." Where exactly does the Bible say that Nicodemus beleived that Jesus was the Son of God? Verse two says that he believed that Jesus was a teacher from God and that God was with him, but nothing in John 3 indicates that Nicodemus was a believer. So, of course he must be born again. Without salvation, no one can enter the Kingdom of Heaven. 4) You wrote: " If you continue to read the entire chapter of 3 you will see that after darkness and light is explained in verse 22 they tarried and were baptizing and in 23 John was also baptizing in Aenon because there was much water there, and they came and were baptized. The entire chapter is about baptizing in water." This is a major stretch. Verse 22 and following is a different account in a different location at a different time. One cannot read back into John 3:1-21 and say that baptism is the subject of the entire chapter. Baptism is never mentioned in John 3:1-12. If it were the subject, it would have been very simple for God to simply say, "You must be baptized....". But, He didn't! :-) The reason is simple - John 3:16 really does mean what it says. "Whoever believes in Him will never perish...." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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