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1 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | lionheart | 205036 | ||
Just out of curiosity, when and where did the doctrine or teaching of soul sleep originate? In Him, lionheart |
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2 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | Val | 205037 | ||
Greetings Mr. Lionheart: This is part of the article on Soul Sleep by Tal Davis at the North American Mission Board, SBC on their website 4truth.net. Soul Sleep By Tal Davis "To be or not to be: That is the question." William Shakespeare One of the most vexing questions every person faces in life is, "What happens when I die?" The answer to that question is, therefore, one of the most crucial for any religious faith to provide for its adherents. One answer some have proposed has been called "Soul Sleep" or, more accurately, the doctrine of "Conditional Immortality." This view asserts, simply put, that when people die, their physical body ceases to function and the life force of the spirit is removed. This means that their conscious existence ends while they wait in the grave for a resurrected body restored by God at the end times. Their perspective is that human beings are not naturally immortal and do not survive, in any sense, after physical death. This doctrine is propagated dogmatically by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses). In their widely distributed book, Knowledge That Leads to Everlasting Life (Brooklyn: Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, 1995, p. 82) they state: "When somebody dies, the spirit (life force) ceases to animate the body cells, much as a light goes out when the electricity is turned off. When the life force stops sustaining the human being, man-the soul-dies." Further, in the same publication (p. 83) they assert: "Therefore, God's Word refers to the dead as being asleep. For example, upon learning that his friend Lazarus had died, Jesus Christ told His disciples 'Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awake him from sleep.'" Another faith group that teaches the same view is the Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church. In their official doctrinal publication, Seventh-Day Adventists Believe … A Biblical Exposition of 27 Fundamental Doctrines (Hagerstown, MD: Review and Herald Publishing Assoc., 1988, p. 353) they state: "The grave is not a place of consciousness. Since death is a sleep, the dead remain in a state of unconsciousness in the grave until the resurrection, when the grave (Hades) gives up its dead (Rev. 20:13)." Both the Jehovah's Witnesses and the SDA base this "Soul Sleep" doctrine on their interpretations of certain key biblical terms and passages. For example, both agree that both the Old Testament Hebrew sheol and the New Testament Greek term Hades refer to the common grave of mankind. Thus, they do not infer any concept of natural immortality of the soul at physical death. Old Testament passages like Ecclesiastes 3:19-21; 9:5, 6; 12:7; Job 14:10-12; Psalm 115:17; and others are often quoted to buttress this position. New Testament passages such as Matthew 9:24; Mark 5:39; John 11:11-14; Acts 7:20; 1 Corinthians 15:51, 52; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17; and 2 Peter 3:4, where dead people are referred to as "sleeping" or "asleep", are also utilized as proof that the dead are now in a sort of unconscious state of nonbeing. The term "sleep" (Greek: Koimao or Katheudo) was a common biblical euphemism for death. Paul used it only in reference to believers in Christ who had died. We need to ask, however, do these passages actually prove unquestionably what the Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, and others holding this position, assert? Obviously, we do not have space here to exegete every passage above. However, we can look carefully at a few Scriptures, particularly from the New Testament and the words of Jesus, that may lead us to a different conclusion than that summarized above. (continued at 4truth.net) |
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3 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | lookinforacity | 205070 | ||
Hi Val: Soul Sleep, who cares what happens in the Grave, to the Body of the Flesh. It will be raised with an incorruptible body, It is irrelevant, what happens, after death. You can call it sleep if you want, that will give you a good understanding of the whole process. When you die, TIME STOPS. Exactly the same as when you sleep at night, you might sleep for 1, 5, or 10 hrs. you are unaware of the passage of time, to your mind it was a second, almost instantaneous. The same in death, 1, 10, 10,000 yrs. a second, almost instantaneous. Knowing this, and understanding it, does it really matter what happens, during the time your flesh, is in the grave ? The reason there isn't any definitive answer on this question, is because it is irrelevant to your Salvation. Belief in Soul Sleep, doesn't add, or subtract, from what YOU did in your flesh, while you were ALIVE. So I say believe, don't believe. 6 of 1 -- 1/2 of another. 2 Cor. 5:6-8 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Ps. to stop any misunderstandings, I only posted this to you because your post is the most recient on the subject, it isnt personal,towards you. In Christ Jim |
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4 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | COLT.045 | 205076 | ||
Hello Jim, Amen to this post. We should be more concerned about building Godly character and how we treat fellow human beings. We should be more concerned with doing his will than bickering about what happens at death. I believe God will judge us on what we did with the understanding he gives each of us. I dont' believe a fair and just God would condemn anyone for not fully understanding all scriptures. My name is Steven :) peace. "Blessed are the Peacemakers" | ||||||
5 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | Wild Olive Shoot | 205086 | ||
Forgoing conviction to make peace is to really have no conviction isn’t it? Jeremiah 6:14 They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, 'Peace, peace,' when there is no peace. “They have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, or according to the cure of some slight hurt, skinning over the wound and never searching it to the bottom, applying lenitives only, when there was need of corrosives, soothing people in their sins, and giving them opiates to make them easy for the present, while the disease was preying upon the vitals. They said, “Peace peace - all shall be well.” (if there were some thinking people among them, who were awake, and apprehensive of danger, they soon stopped their mouths with their priestly and prophetical authority, boldly averring that neither church nor state was in any danger), when there is no peace, because they went on in their idolatries and daring impieties. Note, Those are to be reckoned our false friends (that is, our worst and most dangerous enemies) who flatter us in a sinful way.” Matthew Henry Stand in His grace, WOS |
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6 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | COLT.045 | 205087 | ||
To everyone on this forum, I should have known better. It's obvious I don't belong here. My name is still Steven :) peace | ||||||
7 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | lookinforacity | 205105 | ||
Hi Steven: It is not obvious to me, that you don't belong here ! Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. Your words Wed 07/9/08, 12:09pm Hello Steve, Jesus fell short of the measure of the orthodoxy of his day. God will be my judge on what I did with the understanding he gave to me. I will work out my own salvation with trembling and fear Phil:2:12 Jesus said they (scribes and Pharisees the orthodox religious leaders) prosecuted him and they would persecute his followers. I will count it all joy when I am ridiculed for my beliefs. My understanding may fall short of the orthodox measure and that does not bother me. I do not fear what men can do to me. I have not come to the understanding I have of Gods word overnight his spirit has been leading me for many years. God calls and his spirit leads us. When someone asks me about my faith I try my best to give them an answer of the hope that lies within me. My intentions are never to convince anyone to believe as I do. My postings are not to prove I'm right and your wrong they are only to state my understanding of Gods word. If they edify anyone I am thankful for that. My name is Steven :) peace ps: I work 3rd shift and must go to sleep now. I can only talk out of my own experience, with you. Your words, have been seasoned with salt, they have ministered grace to the hearer. your 2 postings to me were well received, thank you for them. How do you know that your not supposed to be here. How do you know, what you have felt hasn't been an attack of the Enemy. Ephesians 2:19-22 19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. SOOOOO I guess to sum it up, WERE ALL here for a reason, wether we agree or not! Have a GOD BLESSED DAY Jim |
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8 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | humbledbyhisgrace | 205119 | ||
It appears perhaps "Context" may be why we keep seeing the unorthodox teachings and understanding. That's not to say I have mastered it either so I understand the struggle. Steve |
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