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1 | love...as himself (if no self-love?) | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 65433 | ||
If a husband has very little self-love, or even self-respect, what good is it if he loves his wife the same way? Isn't this closely related to "love your neighbor as yourself" in that self-love seems to be assumed as a given? What if self-love is lacking? How does Christianity fill in the blanks? Where is the self-love found? | ||||||
2 | love...as himself (if no self-love?) | Eph 5:33 | Rabbi Mark | 65452 | ||
As a man loves himself. The love here is described that no man hates his own flesh. Meaning that he feeds himself, nourishes himself, cloths himself. This is the type of love that the passage is talking about. If the man you are talking about does this ... then this is self love. And it is the kind of love he is to have toward the woman as well. Women tend to have a romantic view of love. If a man loved himself romantically he would be a narcist. And this would be vile to the Lord. It does not refer to romantic love. But the kind of love and self respect of a man caring for his daily needs. | ||||||
3 | love...as himself (if no self-love?) | Eph 5:33 | Sebkin | 65535 | ||
Rabbi Mark: Isn't a rabbi a Jewish Pastor? I didn't know that Jewish Rabbi's believed in Jesus. Do you believe in Jesus? Are you saved? I think you have some good insight into what it means for a man to love his wife. And I agree that this passage does not state that a man should love himself romantically -- and it would naturally follow that this is not a romantic love. But women today expect far more from a man then just food and clothing and a roof over their head. Do you think they expect too much? Do you think any greater expectations from a woman toward her husband is a violation of the respect that she should have for her husband? I think that srchng is looking for a cure for her husband. It seems she is saying that her husband does not love himself and what good is it if he loves his wife the same way? Do you think she deserves more love than her husband is giving her? Or do you think she expects too much of him? |
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4 | love...as himself (if no self-love?) | Eph 5:33 | Rabbi Mark | 65584 | ||
I suppose you could say that a rabbi is a Jewish pastor. Not all rabbi's believe that Jesus is the Messiah. I have believed that Jesus is the Messiah my whole life. Yes, I am saved. As for your question, you are supposing that srchng is a woman. And you are supposing that she is having problems with her husband. This I do not know. srchng has revealed very little concerning whether the intent of the question is related to a real situation or a hypothetical one. What I do know is that srchng, seems to read more into the scripture passage than there is. So, yes, srchng whether male or female, husband or wife, does seem to have a greater expectation for the husband than is commanded in the scripture. And this sentiment is great among the American culture today. This seems right in the eyes of man. But is it right in the eyes of God? The key thing to remember is that the woman was created for the man. And not the man for the woman. The man is not here to serve the woman. And God is not here to serve man. Biblically the man is here to serve God. And the woman is here to help man serve God,not to have the man meet her every emotional whim and need.. The man should love the woman as Christ loves the church, as srchng points out. But srchng should turn to Revelation Chapters 2 and 3 to see Christ relationship with the church. In these two chapters Christ addresses the flaws in each of the 7 churches that he loves and recognizes. Many women would not see this as love. They would want to have positive emotion lavished upon them despite their flaws. Yet Christ does not tolerate the flaws or spots or blemishes of these churches. And although He loves the church and has sacrificed Himself for the church we see that He is stern and that he judges the church. He tells the church to face persecution, trial, and tribulation. Most women would rely on the strength of her husband to deliver her from this. But Christ does not use His strength to keep the church from such suffering. He commends them for going through it. And as Christ loves the church so should a man love his wife. Yes, women seem to want more from a man in today's world than she is reasonably entitled to. This is not respect for the man. It is disrespect. The woman should be constantly seeking how she can help her husband, because she is his helpmate. She should be thankful for his provisions and be thankful to be called by his name. She should submit to her husband her petitions. And Her husband should provide what is reasonable and pray to God for provisions he cannot make himself if that is appropriate. But did you think of this. srchng's hypothetical man may have a mental problem. Suppose he is unhealthy. Suppose he does not take care of himself. Maybe he is depressed. Maybe he is suicidal. Perhaps this is the kind of man in question here. Is this the kind of love a man should have for a woman? Of course not. And unfortunately there are these types of people. The best thing a woman can do in this type of circumstance is be the helpmate she was made to be and to have very little expectation. Her help should come in the form of prayer to God for this man and to do as much as possible to make him feel cared for. If he is violent toward her phyisically, this is not to include verbal abuse, then perhaps she should seperate from him and continue her prayers. I have heard many testimony where such men were saved and became Godly ministers and great husbands. But in each such testimony the woman was the submissive one who prayed and served the man because of her faith. Never did I hear anything that worked out where the woman demanded the man to be more like Christ. Your questions are interesting, Sebkin. But there is too much left for speculation. And I think you assume too much about srchng. Don't make quick and hasty judgments about people or postings. |
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5 | love...as himself (if no self-love?) | Eph 5:33 | Sebkin | 65592 | ||
Rabbi Mark: You are right about me speculating too much. I apologize to both you and srchng. Sebkin |
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6 | love...as himself (if no self-love?) | Eph 5:33 | Rabbi Mark | 65620 | ||
Sebkin I saw that you went to bat for me against mommapbs. Thanks, but you don't need to do that. I like to read her postings even if she is antagonistic. Rabbi Mark |
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