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1 | Rejection means never knew? | Eph 4:3 | ChildofGod1988 | 206093 | ||
How does that square with 2 Peter 2:18-22?? This is an interesting passage. It CLEARLY intimates, that these false teachers knew the way (Know means that they personally knew, intimately). If it can happen to a false teacher, it can happen to anyone who chooses what they did... to return to their old ways. Your right in one area, I disagree in another. I agree that one must choose to reject the gift they have been given/are offered. But I disagree that "Those who reject their salvation were never born again to begin with."For one simple reason. Only God truly knows the heart, to say you do is wrong and untrue. Now that I have said my piece, I would like to know what you think. I have discussed this before with a friend who is a Calvinist. Thanks so much for your time sir, God bless!! |
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2 | Rejection means never knew? | Eph 4:3 | humbledbyhisgrace | 206098 | ||
Greetings CG!, It is indeed an interesting passage! First, in regards to your statement " I disagree that "Those who reject their salvation were never born again to begin with."For one simple reason. Only God truly knows the heart, to say you do is wrong and untrue." It is true only God and the person knows! This same truth also discounts your argument on the matter does it not? If no one knows then no one knows if they were or were not. Understand? I understand what you are saying here. But discounting the argument as you did and then using the same to validate another view is error also is it not? Looking on to the passage you say "It CLEARLY intimates, that these false teachers knew the way (Know means that they personally knew, intimately)." I'm not so sure it "CLEARLY intimates" what you are attributing to the false teachers. Taking a closer look at the passage could you explain the following. 1) Is verse 20 and 21 talking about the false teachers or is it talking about "those who barely escape from the ones who live in error" in verse 18? 2) Verse 19 seems to "CLEARLY" reveal the false teachers are "slaves of corruption". Also, where in this passage do you understand the false teachers "personally knew, intimately"? Even more, where in this chapter do you understand the false teachers "personally knew, intimately"? Steve |
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3 | Rejection means never knew? | Eph 4:3 | ChildofGod1988 | 206099 | ||
2 Pet 2:18 For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, 2 Pet 2:19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. 2 Pet 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 2 Pet 2:21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. I reread the verse and it still seems to me that the author is referring to those purveyors of false doctrine, as well as believers in these doctrines who have left the true One. I also looked up the definition of the word know 1:be aware of the truth of something; have a belief or faith in something; regard as true beyond any doubt 2:be familiar or acquainted with a person or an object When the bible says that they had "known the way of righteousness," it means they had an intimate knowledge of it. At least that is what I think. I am still very interested in your response sir, and please know that I take your opinion very seriously. Thanks for your time, God bless!!! CoG88 (andy) |
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4 | Rejection means never knew? | Eph 4:3 | stjohn | 206101 | ||
HI Andy... I think we can safely assume that, Judas Iscariot knew Jesus Christ more intimately then the false prophets that Peter was warning us about. He knew the truth very well indeed. Would you say he had been born again to salvation and then rejected it? Or did he just profess to know the truth? Those false prophets probably never knew the truth past their heads, and it never really got to their hearts where it could have done some good. I think I'd have to say they were never really saved. There is far to much Scripture to show us this is the case. It would be hard to hold up under the, Whole counsel of Scripture, that they lost their Salvation. Once you are born again, you are indeed born again. sólamente mi dos centavos, (Just my two cents) John |
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5 | Rejection means never knew? | Eph 4:3 | lionheart | 206105 | ||
stjohn, Good day brother. What you say makes allot of sense. It's easy to hang a label on ones self, but where's the evidence. As you say, once you got it you got it. The question now arises what will one do to nuture that which God has given us. 2 Peter 1:3-15 and Phillipians 2:1-11 are outstanding passages when considering how we're going to walk the walk and do the things we need to do too grow in our relationship with our Lord and Savior. In Him, lionheart |
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6 | Rejection means never knew? | Eph 4:3 | stjohn | 206110 | ||
Amen Brother, Lionheart.... Perseverance, self-control, Brotherly-Kindness, Godliness, etc... 1 Peter Ch 3 indeed does give us pause to look closely at ourselves, to see if these fruits of the spirit are visible, all leading to the "Christ-likeness" we see in Phillipians Ch 2. 1 Cor Ch 3 also is a good place to look for encouragement, and also to see what may happen if we don't, "walk the walk", especially Ch 15, Ouch! :-) Thank Brother! God bless John |
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