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1 | Oneness theology wrong again | 2 Cor 13:14 | kalos | 113095 | ||
'Jesus' resurrection and ascension ' One of the problems with oneness theology is in dealing with the resurrection of Jesus. Oneness Pentecostal theology states that Jesus had two natures while he was walking the earth. That is, he was both God and man. This is correct theology in so far as it states that within the one person of the Son, there are two natures: God and man. But it also states that God is now in the "form" of the Holy Spirit. What happened to Jesus' body after the ascension? Where is it? Is it alive? Is it in a coma? Was it dissolved? Does it still exist? Is Jesus still a person? If so, how can Jesus, the person with flesh and bones, also be the Holy Spirit? ' In Trinitarian theology the second person of the Trinity became flesh (John 1:1, 14). In other words, according to Phil. 2:5-8, Jesus added to himself human nature. Likewise in Col. 2:9 it states, "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." 1 Tim. 2:5 says that "there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus." We know that Jesus rose from the dead in the same body He died in since He prophesied He would raise His body (John 2:19-21); He retained the scars of His ordeal after the resurrection (John 20:27); and He was seen as a man after the resurrection (Luke 24:39). '"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39). "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing" (John 20:27). ' As you can see from the above verses, Jesus retained His physical nature after His resurrection -- along with His scars. This is why it says in Col. 2:9 that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Notice that the verb "dwells" is in the present tense. That is, right now Jesus has a body of flesh and bones. He is physical. He is in heaven. He is a man, the Godman. ' Nevertheless, some deny Jesus' resurrection by stating that the Bible says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God and therefore Jesus did not rise in the same body he died in. But, we need to realize that the Bible says, "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor. 15:50), not flesh and bones as Jesus said He had (Luke 24:39). Is this important? Yes it is. Jesus’ blood was the sacrifice that cleanses us from sin (Lev. 17:11; Heb. 9:22). I suspect that Jesus' resurrected body did not have any blood in it. It was shed from His body on the cross. 'Jesus' Ascension and Return ' The Bible tells us that Jesus ascended into the sky (Acts 1:9-11). When He did this He was still in physical form as I've demonstrated above. In addition, the Bible tells us that Jesus will return in the same manner. '"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven" (Acts 1:9-11). ' Since the Bible teaches us that Jesus is in bodily form now (Col. 2:9), then how does the Oneness Pentecostal person maintain that God is in the form of the Holy Spirit? Also, when Jesus returns, will He return in His body? Will God's form then revert to the form of the Son at His return according to Oneness? ' I do not think Oneness Pentecostal theology is correct for many reasons. But here, with this issue of Jesus' resurrection and ascension, I see their theology denying the incarnation of God in flesh right now. After all, it says in Col. 2:9 that Jesus is in bodily form now. Oneness denies that since God, according to its theology, is now supposed to be in the form of the Holy Spirit.' ____________________ www.carm.org 2cor1314 |
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2 | Oneness theology wrong again | 2 Cor 13:14 | 5282jt | 218126 | ||
Hmmmm, the scripture you referred to "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption." was not intended to be picked apart. It was simply stating that Heaven is a spirit realm and human bodies are niether needed, nor could they function as intended by God there. Jesus did not need a body to take back to Heaven with him. He was a spirit creature before he came to Earth and went back to being a spirit creature, when the need for a body came to an end. The scriptures simply say that Jesus was in Heaven at the right hand of God. Nothing needs to be added to these scriptures. No disrespect intended. |
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3 | Oneness theology wrong again | 2 Cor 13:14 | BradK | 218127 | ||
Hello 5282tj, Welcome to the Forum. You said, "Jesus did not need a body to take back to Heaven with him. He was a spirit creature before he came to Earth and went back to being a spirit creature, when the need for a body came to an end." What scripture(s) would you use to support that? In noting Acts 1:11, do we not see that He ascended with a body and will also return in like manner? We know Jesus has a glorious body, as Phil. 3:21 tells us, "...who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory"(NASB) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | Oneness theology wrong again | 2 Cor 13:14 | 5282jt | 218136 | ||
That body was,a litte lower than the angels, as Hebrews 2:9 says "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." What significance would it have alongside powerful angels in Heaven? Plus, according to Hebrews 10:10 Jesus offered up that body, why would he take it back? "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." I wonder where these oddball teachings come from? I have never even heard this one before??? I assume writers for TV evangelists or books think these things up, looking to "add to" the simple truth the bible teaches and interest the intellectual ones? Then, [I assume] certain churches pick up these teachings and individuals, such as yourself learn them? The pharisees added much to the law and the people of that time believed and followed their additions as well. Jesus, of course, rebuked them for what they did. |
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5 | Oneness theology wrong again | 2 Cor 13:14 | BradK | 218137 | ||
Hello 5282jt, I'm not sure what you mean by your statements: "I wonder where these oddball teachings come from? I have never even heard this one before???" Are you saying you doubt the veracity of what I said? It's a generally understood, well-founded Orthodox view! Allow me to quote Charles Hodge- in part- from his Systematic Theology regarding the Ascension of Christ- Acts 1:9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. Acts 1:10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. Acts 1:11 They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven." (NASB) "From these accounts it appears, (1.) That the ascension of Christ was of his whole person. It was the Theanthropos, the Son of God clothed in our nature, having a true body and a reasonable soul, who ascended. (2.) That the ascension was visible. The disciples witnessed the whole transaction. They saw the person of Christ gradually rise from the earth, and "go up" until a cloud hid Him from their view. (3.) It was a local transfer of his person from one place to another; from earth to heaven. Heaven is therefore a place." "Luther argued that as God’s right hand at which Christ in his glorified body sits, is everywhere, so that body must be everywhere. "All these on his ascension he laid aside, and now dwells in heaven as a glorified man." Sitting at the Right Hand of God- "This is the next step in the exaltation of our Lord. He rose from the dead, ascended into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God; that is, was associated with Him in glory and dominion. The subject of this exaltation was the Theanthropos; not the Logos specially or distinctively; not the human nature exclusively; but the theanthropic person. When a man is exalted it is not the soul in distinction from the body; nor the body in distinction from the soul, but the whole person." [Charles Hodge, Systematic Theology] We must remember, He is the God-man (1 Tim. 2:5)- theanthropos. Christ is the eternal Son of God. I trust this further clarifies what I'm saying. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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6 | Oneness theology wrong again | 2 Cor 13:14 | 5282jt | 218141 | ||
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7 | Oneness theology wrong again | 2 Cor 13:14 | Makarios | 218144 | ||
Greetings 5282jt, There is absolutely nothing within the context of Acts 1-2 that would in any way indicate that the ascension of the Lord Jesus into heaven was in any way a vision only: Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51; John 3:13; Acts 1:11; Heb. 9:24; 1 Peter 3:22. Christ rose from the grave, bodily, and He ascended into heaven also bodily! Blessings to you, Makarios |
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