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1 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74101 | ||
Now we are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, and after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, government, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles?are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? There is no indication here that these offices have ceased. Please not that apostles, prophets and teachers are in the same verse. If apostles ceased, did the calling of teacher as well? Also notice that miracles and gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues are also included in the list.... God bless |
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2 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | justme | 74116 | ||
gracefull: Could you please give me what the purpose, and qualifications for Apostle is? What would an Apostle do today? What scripture do you base this is a office that could be passed on? When Paul wrote those list of offices were there not other Apostles chosen by Christ, still alive? Thank you for your information. justme |
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3 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74120 | ||
Can you give me a scriptural definition of a 'pastor' or an 'evangelist'? I do not see any scriptural qualifications specified. The church organizations have defined these positions. Your question concerning the apostles being alive does answer the question being discussed. |
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4 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | iverson | 74124 | ||
They are simply the persons in charge of equipping the saints and the Building up of the Body of Christ. Not that you were asking, but a Note on “The Five Fold” ministry: In Eph 4:11 the Greek bible (the original Greek manuscripts) only had four "ministries" being referred to; "pastors and teachers" are connected by kai -- a copulative -- and probably should be hyphenated (pastor-teachers), and definitely should be considered together in union as representing two aspects of the same office. In Greek, the passage reads: Kai autos edoken tous men apostolous, tous de prophetas, tous de euangelistas, tous de poimenas kai didaskalous. Note the copulative kai ("and") between poimenas (pastors) and didaskalous (teachers). |
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5 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74189 | ||
According to Ephesians all the listed offices, or callings, are to equip the saints. Justme was the one who asked for a definition or description of the office of apostle. My response was pointing out that there is no definition specifically defining apostle any more than there is one assigned to pastor or evangelist. Following your train of thought I reviewed Ephesians 2-4 and 1 Corinthians 12-14 and came to this conclusion. Correct me if I am misunderstanding you. If apostles have ceased so have prophets, as both are the 'foundation'. So do you interpret 1 Corinthians 14:28-30 speaking of prophets only of the first church and when these died, the office went away? |
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6 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | iverson | 74203 | ||
In 1 Corinthians 14:29 the word prophet is used alone which has a different meaning in the context. There, prophet means one who is prophesying. In Eph 2:20 and 4:11 Apostles and Prophets are used together in the same context that refer to the 12 disciples and those were commissioned by Jesus. They didn’t have successors. Sometimes when words are used together the context of the words changes. For example, I could say, “He’s the tallest and he’s a basketball player.” Given the context we would know that I would be talking about the tallest basketball player. However if I were to say, “He’s the tallest player.” I may be talking about someone else. Using Apostles and Prophets in the same context is a qualifier for the persons that delivered the New Testament. Their roll, as an office in the church, is not needed. But what the Biblical Prophets and Apostles delivered as scripture will stand for all time. This foundation is what the church is built on. Jesus is the cornerstone of the foundation of the Body of Christ. Why isn't there the office of Jesus today? Because Jesus stands once for all in all power and authority in the Word. Just as the divinely inspired scriptures that were delivered to the Apostles and Prophets. Paul is telling the church in Ephesus that they are supposed to use what the Apostles and Prophets (along with Jesus) said and start equipping that saints and start building up the body of Christ. Paul is telling us how to equip the saints for the building up of the Body in Eph 4:11. First read and accept the scripture (apostles and prophets) then preach to the world (evangelists) while studding the Word of God and shepherding the sheep (pastors and teachers). This is how you equip the saints. This is how to build the Body of Christ. Paul stresses this because he knew that people would come along and say that they were speaking for God. But if the saints are equipped, “they will not be tossed to and fro by waves, and carried about by every wind of doctrine.” (Eph 4:14) I would suggest that any who come today proclaiming to speak for God as Apostles and Prophets, are the ones who are creating the “winds of doctrine.” This was going on during the time of Paul and has been going on ever since. If they are not the ones creating false doctrine, then whom is Paul talking about? The only people at that time that created doctrine where the Apostles and Prophets. Consider this disjunctive syllogism; there either is or isn’t true Apostles and Prophets today. Paul says that there are Apostles and Prophets yet that we are not to be carried away by winds of doctrine. What doctrine won’t carry us away? The doctrine that was delivered through the biblical Apostles and Prophets once for all. So who are the Apostles and Prophets Paul talking about in Eph 4:11 when referencing the equipping of the saints? The biblical Apostles and Prophets. The biblical Apostles and Prophets laid the foundation for the church with normative revelations of the Word of God. The church is in the processes of being built up. So the foundation is complete. The Apostles and Prophets are done. Apostles and Prophets, as directed in Eph 4:11, are rolls in the church that have been fulfilled though the giving of the Word. Therefore there are no Apostles and Prophets, besides the biblical ones, which are true today. |
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7 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74215 | ||
Matthew Henry says:" Inv. 20 the church is compared to a building. The apostles and prophets are the foundation of the building. They may be so called in a secondary sense, Christ himself being the primary foundation: but we are rather to understand it of the doctrine delivered by the prophetsof the Old Testament and the apostles of the New." This is my understanding and I now see that Matthew Henry viewed it the same way. John Wesley:" And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets-As the foundation sustains the building, so the word of God, declared by the apostles and prophets, sustains the faith of all believers. God laid the foundation of them but Christ himself is the chief corner-stone of the foundation. Elsewhere he is termed the foundation. 1 Cor. 3:11 Both of these renown commentators believe Paul is speaking of Old Testament prophets and the New testament apostles, and the foundation is the WORD, not the men or their calling. I do not see any reason (in context) to believe Paul is using both Apostles and Prophets in reference to the 12 (13 if you count Paul). And nor do I see any proof in text that this went away because your conclusion is based on this one scripture and your interpretation of that scripture. Your sister in Christ Jesus, Thank you for the information, and I will continue to keep this in mind during my studies. God bless |
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8 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | iverson | 74219 | ||
For information on how I arrived at the context argument of Apostles and Prophets used together to mean the 12 disciples, please refer to the Lexical Aid to the New Testament in the Key Word Study Bible word 4396. The Lexical aid uses resources from “A Greek-English Lexicon to the New Testament” By John Parkhurst, 1767; "Biblical-Theological Lexicon of the New Testament” by Hermann Cremer, 1895; “Synonyms of the New Testament” by R.C. Trench, 1876; and “An Exposity Dictionary of the New Testament Words” by W.E. Vine, 1940. Thank you for the discussion. You have helped me examine, on a deeper level, what I believe. Your fellow Berean |
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9 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74223 | ||
Me too! Thanks! I will review your info, as well. God bless you! |
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