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1 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74101 | ||
Now we are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, and after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, government, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles?are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? There is no indication here that these offices have ceased. Please not that apostles, prophets and teachers are in the same verse. If apostles ceased, did the calling of teacher as well? Also notice that miracles and gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues are also included in the list.... God bless |
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2 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | iverson | 74109 | ||
In Eph 2:19-20 it says, “..but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets.” Clearly Paul is talking about biblical Apostles and Prophets. In Eph 4:11 Paul again uses the words Apostles and Prophets. Why is it that we now think that Paul is talking about Apostles and Prophets that will arise throughout Church History? The context of Paul’s letter suggests that he is talking just about biblical Apostles and Prophets. And since their job was to lay the foundation for the church, their job is complete. Teacher, Pastors, and Evangelists are called to build on that foundation. | ||||||
3 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74111 | ||
Ephesians 4 is a continuation of chapter 2. Remove chapter and verse and read the entire letter. 4:10 reads..He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things. 11And he gave some, apostles: and some prophets: and some, evangelists: and some, postors and teachers: for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Again I see 1.Christ ascended and this followed. "And since their job was to lay the foundation for the church, their job is complete. Teacher, Pastors, and Evangelists are called to build on that foundation." 2. The work of the ministry, edifying of the body, perfecting of the saints fall under the entire list, therefore the statement that apostles were solely for the purpose of 'establishing the foundation' can't be correct. I do agree Paul states that they (apostles and prophets) established the foundation but it does not state that that was their total and only purpose. Since chapter 4 indicates otherwise I view this conclusion as an assumption. Especially since two other scriptures refute this conclusion. God bless |
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4 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | iverson | 74114 | ||
Thus the role of Apostle and Prophet was temporary. They were eyewitnesses to the risen Christ that had normative relations of God’s Word. Once the Word was delivered, the foundation was laid for the Body of Christ. Note the requirement for the said positions: The following shows us the requirements of the replacement for Judas: Acts 1:21-26, "Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection." The apostles claimed to be eyewitnesses: Acts 5:32, Peter and the other apostles stated, "We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him." Therefore, all the apostles were eyewitnesses to Christ and his Resurrection. Luke 1:1-4, "Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to use by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the Word. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught." Another proof that an apostle must be an eye witness: 1 Cor. 9:1, "Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?" Paul was the last apostle to see Jesus. 1 Cor. 15:8, "Then He [Christ] appeared to James, then to All the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born." We can conclude that since Paul was the last to see Jesus, that the apostles didn’t have successors. Remember that Paul used the example of building a building so that we can understand this. And Paul makes it very clear what the jobs of the Apostles and Prophets were in Eph 2:19. Paul never says anything about them having another job to do. We can’t just assume that they have another job just because it suits us. Paul also makes it clear that the body of Christ needs to be built up. It is obvious from Paul's analogy that the foundation first had to be laid in order for the body of Christ to be built. And in Eph 2:19 Paul says that it has been laid. Therefore, once the foundation is laid, you can't continue to lay it. You must start building on it. That is what is happening now. You can't lay a foundation on a building if it's in the process of being built. That is why Paul uses this analogy. |
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5 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74119 | ||
1. Acts 1:21-26 Yes these apostles claimed to be eyewitnesses...and no doubt were. They wer specifically chosen men for a specific purpose.. 2. Acts 5:32 Yes they chose a replacement who had been with them from them beginning (actually God chose but they cast lots) 3. I do not clearly see why this promotes your case. Luke says I am going to draw up my own record in the same manner as those handed down by the eyewitnesses. Luke's gospel surely is a prevalent as John's and he was not an apostle. He says nothing here regarding the office of apostle. 4. 1 Cor.9:1 Again, I have not said the apostles were not eyewitnesses. 5. 1 Cor 15:8 Yes Christ appeared to them all... " Remember that Paul used the example of building a building so we can understand this. " So based on your reasoning we see this... You are basing your entire conclusion on the structure of this passage. Paul indeed is speaking of the body of Christ the church having their foundational teaching as the baseline, held together by Christ Jesus. As I said read on to chapter 4 and explain why, if Paul was saying the apostles were the foundation, (as you concluded that was the end of apostleships) continue his letter and included apostles as necessary for the perfecting of the saints, edifying of the body, and work of the ministry? And he included apostles in his teaching to the Corinthians and in neither of these passages is there any indication that the office will be terminated. Again although as you stated and I do not disagree, the first aposltles were eyewitnesses and documented the events of our Lord's birth, life, death and resurrection, thus the scriptures. But according to Ephesians 4 and 1 Cor. 12 the office was not not eliminated, it is established, along with pastors, teachers, evangelist, and prophets... God bless God bless |
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6 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | iverson | 74123 | ||
What Paul is saying in Eph 4:11 is that the teachings of Apostles and Prophets, and Jesus, are what the church needs to become one body, the Body of Christ. At the time, Christian Jews would not accept the Gentiles who claimed to be followers of the Messiah unless they were first circumcised and obedient to the Law of Moses. What Paul is pointing out in Ephesians is that Genitals are to be considered brothers in Christ, on an equal footing. Paul is stressing what the Apostles and Prophets have said through the Word of God, which was later called the New Testament. So when Paul is talking about Apostles and Prophets in Eph 4:11 he is telling the Church in Ephesus that they should use the teaching of the Apostles and Prophets as foundation for the Church. That is what you get from the context of Ephesians. Paul in not talking about an office that future Apostles and Prophets would hold. |
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