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1 | Why Didn't Paul and Jesus Baptize? | 1 Cor 1:17 | Ray | 70470 | ||
Hi Tim, I am afraid that I won't agree with you very much in this post, but bear with me if you will. (1) I am surprised that you would think that if there would be one choice of baptisms that you would choose water. When you say that it is your understanding that Ephesians 4:5 is speaking of water, is this something you have been taught or is it something you have come to understand? 2) I think that we agree (although using different words) when I say that 1 Cor 12 speaks of the "indwelling of the Holy Spirit" and you speak of a believer being placed "into the Body of Christ". We are in Him and He is in us. We are one body, one spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body..." 3) John 3:3-8. What I tried to say earlier is that if there is only one baptism we can not have a water and Spirit [sic] scenario; nor a water OR Spirit choice. I do not see water baptism in John 3, either. If there is one baptism then I believe that it is spiritual. I believe that water must be in agreement not in contrast. The way that I see it is that water must be combined with spirit [sic]. The water is the birth process of being born. Then we must be born again from above. This happens when the pneuma or wind or spirit "blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the *spirit. [wind, spirit] We are generated, born, from the spirit or word of God. God wished to come to His own and He spoke words of eternal life, yet they did not know where He came from or where He was going. That is the way of all of us; we have to be born of this holy spirit [wind]. But here I agree with the NKJ for John 3:11, "Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness." In other words, this God/Man spoke earthly and heavenly words and they did not believe. John 3:12, "If I/ told you earthly things and you do not believe, how shall you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" 4) I'd be happy to start in a discussion of being baptized "with"... but perhaps in a different place and time. 5) As far as John 3:6 and being born of the *spirit is concerned, my choice is influenced by the "five words of power" that I spoke of in #3107. I see five words of spiritual power in verses 5-8. It's good to talk with you Tim. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Why Didn't Paul and Jesus Baptize? | 1 Cor 1:17 | Morant61 | 70474 | ||
Greetings Ray! I'll have to make this brief as I'm heading to bed! 1) Just opinion! I just think it would be more natural for them to think of the initiation rite which all of them had done. But, I could be wrong! :-) 2) I agree! That is what I was trying to say! I believe that every believe is indwelt by the Holy Spirit at the moment he or she is baptized into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. 3) We differ here. I simply see Jesus helping Nicodemus to understand that when He says that we must be born from above that He is not speaking of physical birth, but spiritual birth. 4) Maybe someday! :-) 5) I'm not into numbering! ;-) Merry Christmas my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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