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1 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | Tamara Brewington | 205528 | ||
Dear John, Well hhhhmmmmm. That depends doesn't it? On whether or not those gifts could be said to still be operating in the church today for one. And if not, on what scriptural basis would we say not? I also believe yes they are still operating, in fact I would broaden the scope to indclude every gift except Apostle as operating to day... Why not? The rest of the gifts could all be used to edify if we use Paul's description of how to use em in chapters 12-14 reading really particularly and carefully about the instructions about the specific way the body functions and how some of them more contraversial gifts ought to operate... But back to the narrower scope you have given here. People are still sick and still being demon possesed... So since there is a need out there for the gift why would there not still be there where with all to use the gifts in question to deliver from captivity? That is why I mentioned being an apostle, there is no more need to pant the first church, the original church got planted as the begining of all churches, so that gift did not need to continue on and besides Jesus was giving that one out personally, at least to the recognized ultimate 12 by Acts 9. It would follow then that since there is a need for casting out demons (just go to Africa and check out those Animists they need a lot of help with this, my pastor went there and saw some very strange stuff) that the gift is still operating because it is still needed... And people are still sick so there is still a need for laying on of hands on the sick... What none of us like is the charlatons who misuse the guise of these gifts and go around doing the works of the devil in the name of Jesus and making a bundle of money. Which is why so many Evangelicals have rejected these gifts along with tongues and prophecy, because they have been misused and abused... A whole lot of Christians actually do believe that people in the NT who were demon possesed were only mentally ill and that modern medicine would have resolved the issues. Like the boy with epilipsy and even the demoniac strange as that may sound. I think James gives us a pretty good example of the laying on of hands for the sick by the anointing of oil. Some don't beileve in this because they don't see the point of getting anyone smeared with oil as conferring any healing, but only the confessing of sins to the elders and the prayers of the elders. Penticostals are still using and practicing this scripture though... Although they use the oil for a number of things that I am not so sure are scriptural exactly the way they are doing it. The disciples were laying hands on the sick and healing them (Hebrews 6:2) and ordaining folks to office by laying on hands. I dunno John I heartily agree with you, but i wonder what the others here think? It would be good to get someone who disagrees in order to see the scriptures that would go with that viewpoint I say. That is why I love differences of exegesis, it can bring other light to a subject... I bet most everyone else is at work or so... God's Beautiful Day To You, Tamara |
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2 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205536 | ||
Hi Tam: Just to get a better perspective of the sine gifts, read, 1 Tim 5:23 in the contexts ch 5 and ask yourself.... If these miraculous (sine gift's) were still in practice in Paul's day, even at the time he wrote this: Why would he say what he said to Timothy? Then take a look at Gal 4:13 God bless John |
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3 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | Tamara Brewington | 205538 | ||
Daiauh, You lost me over here John....!!!! I Timothy 5:23? Galatians 4:13? Does not Paul say that God decided to leave Paul's thorn in the flesh? Does that not mean that there are some things that will not be healed anyway? But what does that have to do with the possibility to their being gifts of healing operating then or now according to God's sovereign will? No one is gaurunteed healing simply becuase the gift is still around. No? Help me out here, I appreciate that different view though! God's Day To Us all, Tamara |
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4 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205546 | ||
Hi Tam: there's nothing to indicate in Scripture, that that particular illness was the infamous, "thorn in the flesh". Remember too that I never said that these gifts were not necessarily given today. I certainly do believe in miraculous healing! But given the type of circus sideshow charlatan activity we see so much of, I am more the a little skeptical, and that they are not as prevalent as some would have us to believe. I happen to think that anyone who has such a gift today, would do so under the strict direction of and guidance of the Holy Spirit, who by the way is not one to bring attention to Himself, but only to point to Jesus. I believe if and when they are used, they are used with utmost discretion. Not the kind of nonsense we see on tv. I also believe that If God wants to heal illness, He will heal it, He doesn't need healers. Even in those places and in countries that have so much sickness, the greater need still is to preach the Gospel, for it is the sick and broken spirit, that truly needs healing. Mark 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. I'm getting down off this soapbox now, so if others want to discuss this, go for it, but I'm done, if you please. Shalom and God bless John |
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5 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205549 | ||
Correction: my quote: "there's nothing to indicate in Scripture, that that particular illness was the infamous, "thorn in the flesh". Actually after closer inspection perhaps it was the "thorn in the flesh" Which some believe is some kind of blindness, as He mentions, they showed such kindness that he believed they would have given their eyes to him. Nonetheless, blindness is indeed a physical illness. Shalom and God bless John |
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