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1 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | kalos | 4748 | ||
Retxar: Thank you for your reply. Good to hear from you. Let me begin by quoting previous replies of mine addressed to other people's similar questions, ones that I think will answer most of your questions. "Since the disciples did not actually receive the Holy Spirit until the day of Pentecost, some 40 days in the future (Acts 1:8; 2:1-3), this statement (John 20:22) must be understood as a pledge on Christ's part that the Holy Spirit would be coming." (p. 1627, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997) ------------------------------------------------- What exactly happened at Pentecost?" "The disciples did not actually receive the Holy Spirit until the day of Pentecost." Acts 2:4 *filled with the Holy Spirit.* "In contrast to the baptism with the Spirit, which is the one-time act by which God places believers into His Body (1 Cor 12:13), the filling is a repeated reality of Spirit-controlled behavior that God commands believers to maintain. Peter and many others in Acts 2 were filled with the Spirit again (e.g., Acts 4:8,31; 6:5; 7:55) and so spoke boldly the Word of God. The fullness of the Spirit affects all areas of life, not just speaking boldy (compare Eph 5:19-33)" (p. 1635, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997). -------------------------------------------------- INSERT A. Insert A follows in the next part of my answer. I ran out of space in this part. -------------------------------------------------- Retxar, in order to have your question fully answered by me, you will need to see also the following previous postings of mine. They include points not mentioned here that you need to read to know my complete answer. You can find them by going to Search. In the search fields leave the "Bible Book or Books" field blank. Under were submitted on or after Date, leave this field blank. Then under user, type: JVH0212. Under containing these words, type the words below (without the day, date, time information). Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati Wed 05/2/01, 1:26pm. When was the Holy Spirit first given? Sat 03/31/01, 12:26pm. what is baptized in the Holy Spirit Mon 04/2/01, 1:04pm. Again, sir, thank you for your question. Bless you. --JVH0212 |
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2 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | retxar | 4826 | ||
Hi JVH0212. I’m finally getting a chance to get back to you. Thank you for your references. They help me know where you are coming from. I really enjoyed you’re personal sharing, as it helped me realize we believe a lot closer than I originally thought. Please consider, if you will, a couple of differing views, on John 20:22, and Acts 2:4. Please consider my thoughts on Acts 2:4 “And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” I guess this is a repeat of what I have already said, but I will expound. You quote the MacArthur Study Bible here which says Acts 2:4 is NOT the “baptism with the Holy Spirit”, rather it is the “filling with the Holy Spirit”. I agree, all were filled with the Holy Spirit. This cannot be disputed, as this is what Acts 2:4 says. However, how can one possibly say this is not the baptism with the Holy Spirit, as this is exactly what Jesus called it? Acts 1:5 "for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Was Jesus talking about receiving the Holy Spirit upon baptism into the body of Christ at salvation as in 1 Cor 12:13? No! Jesus explained what He meant by “baptized with the Holy Spirit” in Act 1:8 "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." I can say “filled with the Holy Spirit” instead of “baptized with the Holy Spirit” till Jesus comes back, if I need to. I would rather have someone understand exactly what I am talking about, rather than having to guess. However, if someone says “baptized with the Holy Spirit”, instead of “baptized into the body of Christ”, I am going to think of “baptized with the Holy Spirit” as Jesus identified in Acts 1:5 and described in Acts 1:8. Please consider my thoughts on John 20:22. “And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.” You quote the MacArthur Study Bible again here. It says the disciples did not actually receive the Holy Spirit until Pentecost. If we interpret scripture with scripture here, I see no way the disciples COULD NOT have received the Holy Spirit when Jesus spoke the words "Receive the Holy Spirit.” Romans 10:9 says that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. This is the very first time the disciples were able to believe in their heart “that God has raised Him from the dead”. If we look down at verse 28 we see Thomas saying to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!" Thomas certainly “believed in his heart” and also “confessed with his mouth” that Jesus is Lord. Jesus confirms Thomas’s belief in verse 29; "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed.” I feel the disciples HAD to “Receive the Holy Spirit”, just as Jesus said to them, in order to be true believers, which Jesus said they were. One more thought on John 20:22. Notice the words “He breathed on them”. If we determine that the disciples did not receive the Holy Spirit here, that statement whould have to be brushed off as in-significant. I think this is very significant and cannot be looked over. Every place in scripture I know of (Gen2:7, Job33:4, Ps33:6, Eze37:9 for example), that speaks of the breath of God, signifies life. I think, just as God breathed the breath of life in Adam as the first man, Jesus breathed the breath of eternal life into these first believers under grace, by giving them the seal of the Holy Spirit. What do you think? Thanks Bro, and God Bless! |
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3 | Holy Ghost Baptism subsequent to salvati | 1 Cor 12:13 | kalos | 5019 | ||
Retxar: Thank you for your reply and for sharing your input. What I think is that you have put a lot of thought into this discussion and have referenced many Scriptures, which is always commendable. I hold to my original understanding of these things, as I previously stated them. But I sure do appreciate that you took the time and care to point out where we differ. Bless you. --JVH0212 |
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