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1 | Holy Spirt w/ evidence of tongues? | 1 Cor 12:10 | Aspiring Overseer | 114775 | ||
Elmo, The miraculous gifts were established for what purpose? Was it not to confirm the validity of God's Word? Once it was obvious throughout the world that His word was the truth, there was no need for the confirmation. Thus we see even Paul's ability to use the gifts wane until they were no more. The "partial" that he mentions to the Corinthians is the need of these gifts to accompany and thereby confirm God's Word until the written form of God's Word was in place. That is "the perfect" and is, of course, here today. Complete, perfect and unchanging in every detail. As an aside, if tongues or healing existed today there would be 100 percent sucess in curing the sick and all tongues could be validated as an intelligable language. Even if we go with the suggestion that the "tongues of angels" in 1 Co 13:1, is a language unknown to man, Paul still commands that they not be spoken publically (1 Co 14:28) if there is no interpreter. This likely was a safeguard against those in the body who did not truely have the gift of tongues, but felt compelled to display it. To falsify the gift and bring others into their sin would corrupt the body, thus Paul directed it only be done in private. How someone desires to worship God in private is upon their own head. This was always the case in the NT and remains so today. AO |
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2 | Holy Spirt w/ evidence of tongues? | 1 Cor 12:10 | EdB | 114815 | ||
AO Your point or arguement holds water if the "perfect" is in fact the Bible. However I beleive the "perfect" here refers to the second coming of Christ and the age that follows. EdB |
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3 | Holy Spirt w/ evidence of tongues? | 1 Cor 12:10 | Hank | 114826 | ||
EdB: There are two principal interpretations involving "perfect" in the passage under discussion, i.e., 1 Cor. 13:8-13. One traditional view is that gifts of prophecy, tongues, and knowledge will cease when believers enter the eternal state. The other view is that these gifts have already ceased, and that this occurred when the Canon of Scripture was completed. Each view follows in a paraphrastic rendering of verses 8-10 under the labels ETERNAL STATE and COMPLETED CANON......... ETERNAL STATE. Love will never cease. In contrast, the prophecies which exist at the present time will be ended when God's people are home in heaven. Where there is the gift of knowledge just now, this will be stopped when we reach the consummation in glory. (When Paul says knowledge...will vanish away, he cannot mean that there will be no knowledge in heaven. He must be referring to the gift of knowledge whereby divine truth was supernaturally imparted.) ........ The other view, COMPLETED CANON. Love will never cease. While there are prophecies (at the time of Paul), the need for such direct revelations would end when the last book of the NT was completed. Tongues were still in use in Paul's day, but they would cease in and of themselves when the sixty-six books of the Bible were finished, because they would no longer be necessary to confirm the preaching of the apostles and prophets (Heb. 2:3,4). Knowledge of divine truth was being given by God to the apostles and prophets, but this would also stop when the complete body of Christian doctrine was once for all delivered. ........ The foregoing has been adapted from material published in The Believer's Bible Commentary, Art Farstad, ed. (Nelson). --Hank | ||||||
4 | Holy Spirt w/ evidence of tongues? | 1 Cor 12:10 | EdB | 114837 | ||
Hank We agree and the fact that there are two points of view is what I was trying to impress on AO who was using this passage as conclusive evidence that the bible says tongues have ceased. EdB |
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5 | Holy Spirt w/ evidence of tongues? | 1 Cor 12:10 | Hank | 114841 | ||
EdB: Right, and even though I hold to the second view by and large, I thought it good to post in juxtaposition the two chief views that prevail so that Forum readers could see, and weigh the merits of, both views. Enjoy your day, Ed. --Hank | ||||||
6 | Holy Spirt w/ evidence of tongues? | 1 Cor 12:10 | EdB | 114845 | ||
Hank Right once more and even though I hold to the first view by and large I think you did a good job of presenting both views. You to enjoy your day, Hank :-) EdB |
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