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1 | Will Jews make it to heaven? | Rom 9:1 | Inquisitor | 225009 | ||
Beja, I can only respond with more words from Jesus... Jn 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. 19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me. Just trying to make sense out of the whole NT. How do you interpret Jesus' Words above? God bless, Inquisitor. |
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2 | Will Jews make it to heaven? | Rom 9:1 | Beja | 225046 | ||
Inquisitor, You ask how I understand the verses. Well first, I think you chose miserable verses from which to defend your view. In these, Christ says, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." That is a far far far cry from saying that the means to salvation is to keep his commandments! What a silly illogical conclusion to come to! Of course we are to keep his commandments but what in any of what you just quoted makes you think He is saying this is the means of salvation? It is as silly as if I had suggested that rolling away the stone in front of Lazarus' tomb were the ordaiined means for their salvation simply because Christ told them to do it. You speak as if Christ can not give us any instruction without it being the means of our salvation. "Poor interpreting" would be far to gentle a way to describe your handling of this passage. Let me finish by going on as if you had given a more substantial verse for the idea. I can think of several. But I will put forward one in your defense. Heb 12:14 Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. Now, this verse clearly teaches that there is some degree of sanctification that without which we shall not see the Lord. How would I respond had you given this verse? I would suggest to you that everything required of us is given to us in Christ Jesus. That includes sanctification. (1 Cor 1:30). Now I do not say that to suggest that we can live however we please and then somehow Christ's sanctification is what Hebrews is referring to. But rather our sanctification is something that our ongoing union with Jesus Christ unfailingly accomplishes in us. See Romans chapters 6,7,8 for scripture on that. In other words, the sanctification that includes obedience is part of God saving us! Not part of us earning salvation! And this is how we understand all such verses. 1 John teaches us we can't continually live in sin because His seed abides in us. It is the ongoing union with Christ that produces our sanctification, and this sanctification is how we tell professing Christians from actual Christians. And then scripture is able to say things such as you must have sanctification because all those who are saved unavoidably will be GIVEN sanctification as a result of their union with Christ through FAITH. Rom 4:5,6 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works God justifies apart from works. We are his workmentship apart from works, made for works which follow. Ephesians 2:8-10. For you to preach that our works merits anything with regards to our salvation other than simply evidencing that we were previously saved by grace is to preach an utterly false gospel, which is no gospel at all. (Gal 1:6,7) My real concern however is that you said such a thing claiming to agree with me. We have no like faith whatsoever if this is what you preach. I preach grace, you are preaching law. The two could not be further apart. In Christ, Beja |
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