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1 | Must we keep the law to be saved? | Rom 3:28 | BradK | 88992 | ||
Hi Mathew, You ask "But when does a person truly obtain salvation." First and foremost, Ps. 3:8 tells us "Salvation belongs to the Lord." I think there is a sense in which salvation is both present ( to those who belive) and future. Scripture tells us plainly in Eph. 2:8 ,2 Tim. 1:9 and Titus 3:5 that our salvation is an accomplished fact. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;" "who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity," "He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit," Our future (salvation) is "to be in the presence of the Lord"( 2 Cor. 5:8). The Glorification in Romans 8:30 is both present and future: "and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified." Speaking The Truth In Love, BradK |
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2 | Must we keep the law to be saved? | Rom 3:28 | Mathew | 89003 | ||
Hello BradK, The scripture you posted was very profound. There is alot there, and Im still chewing on it;)...But from other scripture I read it sounds like are faith non-theless is on trial. 1Pe 1:7 so that the trial of your faith (being much more precious than that of gold that perishes, but being proven through fire) might be found to praise and honor and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 1Pe 1:8 whom having not seen, you love; in whom not yet seeing, but believing in Him you exult with unspeakable joy, and having been glorified, 1Pe 1:9 obtaining the end of your faith, the salvation of your souls. The end of our faith is the salvation of our bodies with the breath of life in them. Untill this event happens we all walk by faithfulness unto death and not with sight. I hold the view that every true beleiver must judge themselves so that God wont have to. 1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive the things done through the body, according to that which he has done, whether good or bad. 1Co 15:36 Foolish one! What you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 1Co 15:37 And what you sow, you do not sow the body that is going to be, but a bare grain (perhaps of wheat or of some of the rest). 1Co 15:38 And God gives it a body as it has pleased Him, and to each of the seeds its own body. 1Co 15:58 So that, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not without fruit in the Lord. I beleive that God will raise our bodies(seed) as it has pleased him. Some to everlasting life, some not. But are work and our labor to the Lord is not in vain. For our labors bring forth fruit in the Lord. I beleive that each person will receive judgment on the thing he/she has sown in there own bodies. Wether it be good or bad. Im still open to new thought MaTT |
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3 | Must we keep the law to be saved? | Rom 3:28 | BradK | 89042 | ||
Matthew, I'm glad those verses were of help:-) Rest assured the our salvation and position in Christ are secure!( Rom.8:38-39) However, scripture is also equally clear that our faith (not our salvation) will be tested. See James 1:2-3 and Romans 5:3-5. We only need to look at the ever-increasing persecution of Christians in other parts of the world to know that this indeed is true. We can thank God that we're not experiencing this type of persecution-yet! Speaking The Truth In Love, Bradk |
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4 | Must we keep the law to be saved? | Rom 3:28 | Mathew | 89067 | ||
Hello BradK, You stated that we as Christians can rest assured that our salvation is secured. Because Rom.8:38-39 says that "nothing" can seperate us from the love of God. Does this statement mean that God never loved Pharoh or Judas. God loves "everything" that he created. Even though at times we made him feel sorry that he had created us. Gen 6:7 And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created, from the face of the earth, both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air. For I repent that I have made them. God loves all men but he hates sin. God doesnt chose us according to our good or bad works. But he does chose us according to our faithfulness. Also Rom.8:38-39 was refuring to Gods elect, not all men. Rom 8:33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God who justifies. Also these people have suffered with Christ in persecutions,famine,nakedness,ect..They also die all the day long to the flesh, and they are more than conquers. These are not double minded, lukewarm Christans. Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Rom 8:36 As it is written, "For Your sake we are killed all the day long. We are counted as sheep of slaughter." Rom 8:37 But in all these things we more than conquer through Him who loved us. But the faithless, wavering, double minded man should not think that he shall receive anything from the Lord. Jam 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. Jam 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. Jam 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. I read Romans 8:1-12. And then after saying that we have Christ Spirit in us. And we are not of the flesh but of the Spirit. And because of Christ Spirit the body is dead. This same Spirit will also make my mortal body alive. So we are not debtors of the flesh to live according to the flesh. But then verse 13 says. Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die. But if you through the Spirit mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live. And then further on Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen is not hope; for what anyone sees, why does he also hope for it? Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that which we do not see, then we wait for it with patience. Concerning this verse: Rom 5:18 Therefore as by one offense sentence came on all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came to all men to justification of life. Verse 18 says all men are justified and verse 19 says that "many" not all shall be made righteous. So my conlusion so far is: That all men have been redeemed and bought with a price from the power of the first death because Christ so loved the whole world. But now we must stand faithful, unwavering, beleiving in hope. Waiting with patience the true adoption, and Salvation of our corrupt bodies. My only questions would be. Do you think that Christ blood saved "all" men from the power of the second death? And should we feel we have obtained the resurrection of the first death and escapaing the second even though we have not obtained?(Phill.3:11-15)How should a Christian work out his salvation? After all that said, I do beleive that God wants us to feel secure in our salvation. But the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. And the bible does tell us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. I do however somewhat agree with the once saved always idea. Because of the fact that God forknew or predestined the end from the beginning before time began. Your friend MaTT |
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5 | Must we keep the law to be saved? | Rom 3:28 | BradK | 89117 | ||
Hi Matthew, You ask many questions, my friend:-) I'll do my best to answer you as consisely as possible for times sake. You ask "Does this statement mean that God never loved Pharoh or Judas." The only answer I can give is to refer you to scripture itself in Romans 9:13-18. I might add a slight correction for your statement "But he does chose us according to our faithfulness". Remember, God is the faithful one, not us ( 2 Tim. 2:10, 1 Thess. 5:24) We are saved based upon our faith in what God promises, not our faithfulness. "Do you think that Christ blood saved "all" men from the power of the second death? " I believe His death was sufficient for all, though not all are "saved". I'm staying clear of the Cand A debate;-) We are saved by grace through faith when we believe upon Him. "How should a Christian work out his salvation?" Phil.2:12-13 answers this: " So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure." I hope this helps. Speaking The Truth In Love, BradK |
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6 | Must we keep the law to be saved? | Rom 3:28 | Mathew | 89128 | ||
Thanks BradK, I can truly respect your views. I find it difficult to discredit the fact that a person can lose there salvation. But I still beleive that we all earnestly "wait" for the adoption of our bodies unto salvation. This is the only salvation that matters. This salvation and gift of immorality can not be taken away. If only there was a scripture that stated that we dont have to remain faithful to the end to inherit his promiss. I see it that Gods promiss was unto his children. Children of light and not children of darkness. I do know enough to understand the concept that Gods ways our higher than my own. And because of this I need Gods grace on a daly basis, not just on the last day of judgment. No man needs Gods grace any less than the next. It does seem to me that the fruit we bear matters though. At what point a person starts bearing bad fruit, I have no idea. Joh 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I do agree with you that we our saved according to our faith in Gods promisses. But not blind faith. Because I read that one person says they have faith. But another shows there faith by there faithfulness(works in the Lord). So if we are saved by faith in grace. The only question should be: What is true faith? You could also restate the "saved by faith in grace" statment. Maybe you could say that we are saved by our faithfulness that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, our propiation. But to harden our hearts to this fact at any moment is rejecting the Holy Ghost. and yes you have helped, MaTT |
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