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1 | Fair multitude die without gospel? | Rom 1:20 | MJH | 165501 | ||
Kalos, I have read the web site you quoted. I many times "preached" those very points from those very scriptures. I've been in the faith for nearly 30 years and was brought up in the faith as a child. I understand all of the things that that web site has to say, only now I do not accept them any longer as stated. My understanding of Hell has changed some in the past few years. Actually it has been something that I struggled with even while teaching the very things on the site you have given. I do not believe that a Holy and Just God would find it Just to condemn for eternity those who sought to serve and Love Him, but got it wrong. My old neighbor is a good anecdotal example. She lived through the Holocaust and concentration camps. She was a Jewish believer who loved the one True God and served Him, prayed to Him, knew His Word and followed it as best she knew how. She did know about Jesus, but in her words, "He hasn't spoke to her yet." As He apparently did for her daughter. My original belief was that God would do to her what even Hitler couldn't dream up as a punishment. And not only that, God would do it to her for ever and ever and ever in conscious torment. All this for trying to serve and love the One True God. I do not find any scriptures that uphold that view. One might argue whether or not she will be "with the Lord" but to be in eternal conscious torment...no, I do not believe that based on my understanding of all of scripture. MJH |
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2 | Fair multitude die without gospel? | Rom 1:20 | kalos | 165522 | ||
MJH: It's always a pleasure for me to exchange ideas with you. I respect your views and appreciate the fact that your posts cause me to think. You write: "She was a Jewish believer who loved the one True God and served Him, prayed to Him, knew His Word and followed it as best she knew how. She did know about Jesus, but in her words, "He hasn't spoke to her yet." As He apparently did for her daughter." In Acts 4 in the NIV we read: 5 The next day the rulers, elders and teachers of the law met in Jerusalem. 6 Annas the high priest was there, and so were Caiaphas, John, Alexander and the other men of the high priest's family. 7 They had Peter and John brought before them and began to question them: "By what power or what name did you do this?"...8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: "Rulers and elders of the [Jewish] people...12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." What group of people was Peter speaking to here? Were they Jews or Gentiles? Did he not say to the Jews, "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved"? Grace to you, Kalos |
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3 | Fair multitude die without gospel? | Rom 1:20 | MJH | 165559 | ||
I agree that salvation is found in no one else than in Jesus the Messiah and by no one else and through no one else will anyone be saved. I also do not believe this women would have been saved by following the Mosaic Law nor saved by works of the Law. Which many taught even before the time of Jesus. I did not say she was saved....but lets assume I did for a momment because I believe it is quite possible. Salvation is through Jesus alone, but does that mean a person has to have a completly accurate understanding of Him to be saved through Him? (CS Lewis, by the way, did not think so...though he is not the Word of God.) I used to believe in my youth that most Catholics were not going to be saved. I was even harsh in my attitude toward Mother Teressa. My reasons were that they had an inacurrate understanding of Jesus (amoung other things). While in the ministry as an adult our largest "target" audiance to convert were Catholics. Although I still believe that church ought to reach out to the Catholics in their neighborhood because most of them were Catholic in name only, I wouldn't concern myself with "coverting" them as if they were hell bound. In the end it is in the hand of God, whome I trust with my whole being. The more I read scriptrure, however, the more I find the arguments I used to make a little harder to make and somewhat selective. Don't worry about me though. I tend to hold to my original and traditional beliefs longer than I should rather than toss them at the first sign of unrest. This forum is a safe place to explore those thoughts, however. Should I have this discussion at the family reunion, I might cause some to meet the Lord all too soon if you know what I mean. God Bless, MJH PS. If any catholics read this I would like to point out that scripture at its core speaks of redeming the word and helping orphans and widows (those in real need). I see the (Catholic) names on Hospitals and Orphanages and adomption centers all around the globe. The world can see, if they choose, who is doing what the Gospel calls "good news". |
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