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1 | "consigned to disobedience?" Free will? | Rom 11:32 | SherriSLC | 52683 | ||
This verse troubles me...because if God really did shut up all in disobedience (so that he could show mercy on them), then how did we have the free will to sin? Were we consigned to disobedience through inheriting the old nature from Adam? If God had not consigned everyone to disobedience, is there a chance that some human beings might not have disobeyed? I realize that sounds like a silly question, but it points out the theological/philosophical issue of the verse. How can God be just if he has consigned all of humanity to disobedience? (Or, more to the point, how can the entire narrative of history be one in which we really did have the will to choose obedience or disobedience? How can we be blamed for our sin?) | ||||||
2 | "consigned to disobedience?" Free will? | Rom 11:32 | Reformer Joe | 52690 | ||
Hi, Sherri. You wrote: "This verse troubles me...because if God really did shut up all in disobedience (so that he could show mercy on them), then how did we have the free will to sin?" Humanity has always had the free will to sin. As a matter of fact, as a result of the Fall, the unbeliever doesn't have a nature that allows her to do anything BUT sin (Romans 8:6-8). The Bible declares that theough Adam's transgression we were made sinners (Romans 5:19) and we are by nature "children of wrath" apart from Christ (Ephesians 2:3). Romans 3:10-23 gives the clearest picture of who we are by nature apart from Christ. "Were we consigned to disobedience through inheriting the old nature from Adam?" Exactly. Romans 5 compares Adam to Jesus Christ. Everyone who has ever lived was born "in Adam," so to speak. Our first parents, as our representatives, brought about a curse upon the whole human race as a result of their sin. We are born with a disposition against God. Just like I didn't choose to be born male, white, healthy, or American, I didn't choose to be born an enemy of God. It was the result of circumstances outside myself. However, we all live out that nature until some of the human race is transferred to God's kingdom, so that we are no longer "in Adam" but "in Christ." Read Romans 5 and notice the comparison between Adam's transgression and Jesus' perfect obedience. And lest we think this unfair that one man's transgression resulted in a condemnation for other human beings, it is important to remember that we played no role in the righteousness that was earned for us by Jesus Christ, either (other than committing the actual sins that He died for)! :) --Joe! |
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3 | Are we diosobedient without Faith? | Rom 11:32 | vume | 52701 | ||
Hey joe; Is this illustration something that clears up God's Word or am I just making mud? When my children were young I took them to a parade and my daughter spent a long time talking to Mickey Mouse. I thanked the person in the Mickey Mouse costume for entertaining my daughter. Isaiah:61:10: I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. Matthew:18:3: And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. My daughter believed she was talking to Mickey Mouse. As God's child I believe I am clothed in a robe of righteousness. I can not enter the kingdom of heaven without this Faith, nor is God pleased. vume |
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4 | Are we diosobedient without Faith? | Rom 11:32 | Reformer Joe | 52717 | ||
You wrote: "As God's child I believe I am clothed in a robe of righteousness. I can not enter the kingdom of heaven without this Faith, nor is God pleased." Well, it is more than our belief that saves us. It is the reality of what our faith is in. It is true that we must have faith in order to get in heaven's door, but that faith itself is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8-9). God is pleased when we have faith, and without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). However, God is far exceeedingly more pleased by the life Christ lived for us. Jesus is our substitute in every way. He lived for us the life we couldn't live. He paid the penalty that it would take us eternity to pay. He rose from the dead as our elder brother, the first participant in God's resurrection of mankind to be completed at the end of the age. The best way to look at it, I think, is that God sees us as sinful (He is aware of our sins and still disciplines His children for them, so He is not BLIND to them), but considers us as perfectly righteous on account of Christ our representative. He sees the sins, but he sees the "paid-in full" sign on each one of them and sees Jesus' perfect righteousness as applying to us as well. --Joe! |
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