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1 | THE APOCALYPSE CODE, Have U read it? | Rom 11:17 | Searcher56 | 191314 | ||
His view that distinction between Israel and the church is a form of racial discrimination (page xx) ... violates what the Bible says. Romans 11 says we are grafted into Israel. Israel and the church are distinct. | ||||||
2 | THE APOCALYPSE CODE, Have U read it? | Rom 11:17 | rabban | 191337 | ||
Surely if we are grafted into Israel as you rightly say, and unbelieving Israel have been cut off then the church is the true and continuing Israel? Large numbers of Galilean Jews had become Christians through Jesus' ministry and would later have been confirmed as such by the Apostles. The ministry of the Apostles went on for twelve years in Jerusalem and was hugely successful. Thus a good percentage of the Jews had become Christian Jews. Paul declares the remainder as cut off from Israel. This resulted in the new Israel founded on the rock of Jesus' Messiahship. As Paul said not all of Israel were truly Israel (Romans 9.6). They had proved it by rejecting Christ. This is confirmed in Ephesians 2.11-22; 1 Peter 2.5, 9; Galatians 3.29; and of course Romans 11.17-18. In accordance with Exodus 12.48 Paul said that the Gentiles who became Christians were to be incorporated into Israel through the circumcision of Christ (Colossians 2.11). It was precisely because the Judaisers saw the converted Gentiles as becoming Christian Jews and thus part of Israel that they demanded that they should be circumcised in the flesh and demanded the circumcision of Titus. Paul's reply was not that the church was not Israel, but that the converted Gentiles could be seen as already circumcised in the circumcision of Christ and therefore as true proselytes to Israel. The whole reason for the argument was precisely that both sides saw the church as being the true continuation of Israel (John 15.1-6) and that was why the question therefore arose as to whether circumcison was demanded in order to fit in with Exodus 12.48. Paul's reply was that although they were becoming a genuine part of the new Israel, which was replacing the old (Matthew 21.43) they did not need to be circumcised, because this was already accomplished in them through the circumcision of Christ (Colossians 2.11). Thus all parties saw the church as being the true Israel, who in Christ had come out of Egypt (Matthew 2.15). |
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3 | THE APOCALYPSE CODE, Have U read it? | Rom 11:17 | justme | 191348 | ||
Rabban:-) Thank you, I was looking to see how Hanegraaff explained this and you have done an excellent job. After reading the Apocalypse Code I have awakened into a better understanding of Matthew 24 and 25. Although this book might get some erked, perhaps some might see the issues with the most popular theorys of today. However, this is not more than an "in house debate" as hank has said. I wish you would consider using the Update User Info. to the left, so we could know a little about you. Blessings. justme |
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