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1 | Ananias and Sapphira paid for their sin | Acts 5:9 | Val | 213060 | ||
Dear Keliy, since God is the only one who sees the heart, He is the only one who knows the true condition of the soul. He is a different judge that you or I for we would fall far short. That is why when a person tells you they are saved that is what we go on. We might judge their life and say they are not by their lifestyle but again it is God who is the judge not us so we are to respect their confession. They might look at us and say we are not good enough. How hurting that would be. We must admit that different people are at different places in their walk with the Lord. I don't know what you mean by apologetic answer? I do know the details I gave you about doing a word study on discipline or chastening would help. I don't know what your post about forgiveness means? As I said the verses are about sin not salvation. And I do know that just because you fall into sin and die, it does not mean you are not saved, it just means you die out of fellowship with the Lord. I believe we are saved by grace alone in the One who gave His life for me, Yeshua, Jesus, and by the way wasn't Rick Warren's prayer honoring Him superb. Anywho thanks for the discussion. Good day, Val | ||||||
2 | Ananias and Sapphira paid for their sin | Acts 5:9 | keliy | 213061 | ||
Hi Val, It is always a pleasure to discuss topics with you. This is the definition from Webster's, explaining what I meant about apologetics. 1 : systematic argumentative discourse in defense (as of a doctrine) 2 : a branch of theology devoted to the defense of the divine origin and authority of Christianity On the judging note, I said in my post that I was not being judgemental. - I did know these workers on a personal level for a long time, and when the conversation continued, I told him that going to church for an hour a week is not what gets you to heaven, if you are not going to give it another thought for the rest of the week. And, his response was, No. That is not the way it works. So, he is standing upon a works based doctrine, thinking that church attendance will gain him admission into heaven. And, if you saw the pictures posted above his desk, and the material in the drawers, you would agree. What I meant by the forgiveness reference was to get back to the original question. Why were Annanias and Sapphira not forgiven their sin? Was not the Blood of Christ sufficient to save them? Is that how our Father chastens the children He loves? By stopping their heart on the spot, the very instant of an infraction? I am not pretending to know the spiritual level of Annanias and Sapphira, so I suppose it is another possibility that the Lord cut them down to prevent them from committing the unpardonable sin. But, again. We will know the answer to this biblical difficulty when the perfect comes and all that is imperfect disappears. Thank you, Val. May God Bless you and yours. keliy |
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3 | Ananias and Sapphira paid for their sin | Acts 5:9 | Val | 213064 | ||
Dear Keliy, To remain on the point whether Annanias and Sapphira were saved is not the question. The topic is sin. What happens when a person sins? For the Christian the Lord disciplines his children, agreed? The Lord deals with each individual differently and as He choses. He is just and righteous and holy and perfect. He is the giver of life, our very next breath He gives. He is the Creator and can and does take away that breath anytime He pleases and He does not answer to anyone. Salvation is believing in Jesus and his finished work on the cross. His sacrifice made possible for the penalty of sin to be paid for. That is salvation, surrendering our lives and our sins to Him. What happens when a persons sins after salvation? The answer is they must confess and repent of that sin. If they do not; our Saviour will chasten them just as a loving parent chastens His child. If the person does not accept the chastening and continues in sin is he lost? No he is still a child of the King. He is still going to heaven when he dies. But the sin that he is involved in will bring forth death, for example, death of a relationship such as in a marriage if adultery is committed, physical death if the sin is against the physical body. When that person dies he still goes to heaven but he is out of fellowship. That means he hasn’t dealt with his sin. That is why Paul urges Christians to a holy life so that when our Saviour comes we will not be ashamed. On the topic of sin; there are consequences to sin. Various consequences according to the individual’s life. Sometimes if an individual Christian is causing disgrace to God’s plan then God may take that Christian on home. He goes to heaven, out of fellowship. I urge you to do a word study on “chastening”, discipline, love. Those whom the Lord loves He disciplines and if one is without discipline he is not one of His. Many believe the reason the Lord took Ananias and Sapphira on home or wherever they went is because the church was in its early stages and it was pure. A pure church and what they did was unacceptable and would not be tolerated at that time as it specifically was related to the beginning of the church. As time marched on and the apostles died out the church was not as pure and we can see that in history, yes? This time in Acts was a special time. A time of miracles. Maybe this was one of the gifts of the apostles to be able to recognize deception. Acts tells the beginning of the church. A pure church. It is a picture of what the body of Christ should be today. Oh that we would long to be pure and holy, without deceit, wanting the approval and praise of the One who is the head of the body rather than of men. All praise to Christ the King and God the Father. Amen. Grace to you my friend - Val | ||||||