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1 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | Mommapbs | 51277 | ||
'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.' Acts 2:21 In a recent post, I received a challenge to name one person in the book of Acts who believed the Word and was NOT (water)baptized within ONE hour of their belief. Please note the following conversion experience: According to the testimony of Paul in Acts 22:10 -When Jesus identified Himself, Paul replied,'What shall I do, Lord?' Note carefully the Lord's answer! "And the Lord said to me, 'Get up and go on into Damascus, and there you will be told of all that has been appointed for you to do.'" (Paul clearly affirms this in Eph 2:10 - "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.") After his encounter with the Lord, Saul(Paul) was in Damascus for THREE DAYS (ACTS 9:9) prior to being (water)baptized! Was he "unsaved" during this time? Those who subscribe to the baptismal regneration "doctrine" cite Jesus' words in Mark 16:16 ("He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.")to support their position. Note that as soon as Saul recognized the Lord, he asked HIM what to do.(Isn't this a wonderful illustration of "trust and obey?") Now if WATER BAPTISM was necessary for Saul's salvation, don't you think that Jesus would have told Saul to be baptized right then and there on the Damascus road?! The Holy Spirit is God's gift upon belief, not upon water baptism. The Holy Spirit guarantees our salvation, not water baptism. CDBJ in a post6-11-02 adds additional comments worthy of your attention: Baptism it seems has surely created some barriers even though Eph. 4:5 claims that it is a unifier by the use of the word one, which is the Greek word (HICE). Ephes. 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, The reason it can say this is that it follows the order of, first Lord then faith in Him, Jesus, and the baptism that unifies follows, which is automatic. It is done for us and has nothing to do with water. It is a dry baptism as it were. All of the wet baptisms mentioned in the Bible are nothing more then a ritual. The dry baptisms on the other hand are real and we receive them with out any works on our part; they come about as a result of one's state of mind, that is to say the way you think or one's mind set with regards to Jesus the Christ. There are two dry baptisms, there is one for believers and there is one for unbelievers. The one unifying baptism for believers, mentioned in Eph. 4:5, is the Holy Ghost. The baptism that will unify unbelievers is that of fire; the administrator of both baptisms is the Lord Jesus Christ: John the Baptist knew this truth as he testified to it in Matthew's Gospel as he was speaking to some who would believe and others who would not. Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Every one will receive one baptism or the other and it all depends on what people think of the person of Jesus, the Christ of God, and that will sets the stage for the baptism they will receive. Mommapbs adds: we are baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit at the moment of belief ("He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,"Titus 3:5)- this is all DONE BY GOD, lest anyone should boast!(Eph 2:8-9) No water of baptism will be able to extinguish the wrath of God upon those who reject Him! Faith in Jesus is the ONLY fire escape! PS: Also, see Acts 17:34. Dionysius and Damaris became believers, (and others) but there is no mention of a water baptism in conjuction with their belief. |
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2 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | goldnbreez | 51333 | ||
1 Pet 3:21--Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, which also goes along with what the verse posted prior 'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.' Acts 2:21 Calling upon the Name of the Lord, to save you, so that you can have a clean conscience to Christ. I have never understood why people get caught up in the water baptism. In acts, it is said in chapter 18---This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; ..... clearly showing the difference. The Baptism that does save is the answer of a clean conscience to Christ....and the only way to get that, is to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, so that His blood along with your repentance cleanses and redeems you. However, I might add, that I also have been water baptised. Why? Obedience and Testimony that I indeed am a Witness to the Love and Salvation of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. God Bless |
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3 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113456 | ||
How is it you so twist this verse. Clearly it is saying Baptism now saves you, (not the removal of dirt, because baptism is a spiritual act, not a physical act, refer to Col. 2:12 in baptism you are spiritually circumcised by Christ), And again it repeats "it saves you by the resurrection of Christ. | ||||||
4 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | CDBJ | 113459 | ||
It's the baptism of the Spirit that saves and it is real, not the function of water which is only a ritual. | ||||||
5 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113746 | ||
Yes, you receive the Spirit and are saved during baptism in water. Repentance and water baptism in his name are your response by faith to the gospel. God does all the work. By grace he forgives you and gives you the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is simply an act of faith whereby you are recieving something from God, not a work to earn something. Col. 2:12 explains in water baptism Christ is spiritually circumcising you. Roman 6:3 shows it is not a ritual but an actual participation in his death, burial and resurrection. | ||||||
6 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | BradK | 113750 | ||
arrow1, Two questions: 1. What verse tells us that we are saved during baptism in water; 2. Upon what basis would you state that Col. 2:12 is indeed refering to water baptism? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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7 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113759 | ||
Eph. 4:5 states one baptism, it must be the baptism of the Great Commission for it is commanded of Christ and is administered by men. Holy Spirit baptism and speaking in tongues(pentecost and Cornelius for example) was a promise fullfilled, but not a command of Christ. Once water baptism is recognized as the "one baptism", now all the baptism verses begin to make sense. Baptized into Christ, buried in baptism, baptism now saves you also, be baptized and wash your sins away, etc. |
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8 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | BradK | 113766 | ||
arrow1, "Must" is a mighty definite term to use in relation to Eph. 4:5. If that is the case, then you are advocating that one is saved by water baptism, correct? By negating that Spiritual Baptism is the baptism of Eph. 4:5, you leave only water. My friend, that is in serious opposition to the balance of scripture- particularly the Pauline Epistles- look at Titus 3:5! How would you understand 1 Cor. 12:13 in light of your words, "Once water baptism is recognized as the "one baptism", now all the baptism verses begin to make sense?" Does the Holy Spirit have any involvment in our salvation? Just curious. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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9 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113775 | ||
I would equate Titus 3:5 to John 3:5. Two elements, water and spirit, one birth. Water Baptism and "receiving" the Holy Spirit are two sides of the same coin, they are inseperable, (Acts 2:38). With your view, you have two distinct baptisms, in water and in holy spirit, which would seem to contradict Eph. 4:5. Don't confuse receiving the indwelling of the spirit and baptism in the spirit. Acts 8:14, they had accepted the word of God and had been baptized(water)in the name of the Lord Jesus. Surely those people in Samaria were saved Christians. Later the apostles went there, placed hands on them, and gave them some spiritual gifts(most likely the ability to speak in tongues) and then Simon, whom who note in verse 13 believed and was baptized, asked if he could buy the gifts he had seen them receive, (he probably heard them tongue speaking). Obviously my view is not that water in and of itself is some majical salvation agent. Saved by Grace through Faith at Baptism. God does all the "work" and the saving, I am simply responding to the gospel by repenting and being baptized in the Lord's name. It's all done as a one time act of faith, not a work of the law. Once saved I continue to work out my salvation with trembling and fear and stand firm to the end. I continue having faith. |
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