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1 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | with_faith_i_walk | 89619 | ||
Greetings Ray, You are most certainly correct that the thrust of the chapter is putting to rest the question of whether the Gentiles need to be circumcised to be saved. Peter was first justifying the inclusion of the Gentiles before continuing on to the subject of circumcision, ie whether the message of salvation was right to give to the Gentile. But it is most certainly not the thrust of the subject matter included in this chapter, as you have so correctly stated. The reason I used lower case when I said, "The spirit represented here is the Holy Spirit," was because of the initial reference of "spirit" as an unspecified object, ie if I was to say "the diety represented here is God," I would not capitalize diety. In Christ, LGC |
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2 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | Ray | 89662 | ||
Hi with faith i walk, I would like to talk about some of the things that you have written and show some of the differences we have in capitalization. 1) You said in #89396, "The spirit in this sense is not the "word of the gospel" but the true spirit that is God." The word "true" brings to mind Scriptures that talk of the one true God and also John 1:9 where both the latest NASB and the NKJ talk about the true Light which enlightens every man. I agree also with the new copyrighted NASB for 1 John 2:8 where it reads that "the true Light is already shining." And 1 John 1:5, that "God is Light". So my point is that I would not have written about the "true spirit" as you did, but rather the true Spirit, that is, God. So the question remains for Acts 15:8 of whether God gives them Himself or a gift. I also want to talk about "Deity", but I have to go feed a friend's dog right now. From the heart, Ray |
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3 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | with_faith_i_walk | 89666 | ||
Yes, I would like to continue this conversation as well. Particularly in reference to capitalization. Also, forgive my overlooked misspelling. Deity, whereas I wrote diety (not once but twice!). I normally catch those. In Christ, LGC |
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4 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | Ray | 89688 | ||
Hi LGC, Isn't it wierd how we all have words that we have to always think about to make sure. Deity and weird are two words like that for me. One of the words of difficulty for this forum's member is "angles". Perhaps we can look at these spirits from a different angle. 1) deity: 1. the state of being a god; divine nature; godhood 2.pl. -ties a god or goddess--the Deity God Earlier when you said that you would not capitalize deity, I wanted to disagree with you. A god or a goddess is a deity, but the one true God is Deity. Colossians 2:9, NASB, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." NKJ, "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." (Talk about misspelling and proofreading, I just noticed that my older copyright NASB reads "fulness" which is an alternate spelling.) When we consider "angels" and spirits and messengers I believe that it is important to consider that an angel is a spirit. For instance, I would say that Acts 8:29 should have a lower case "spirit" because verse 26 identifies it as an angel of God. Similarly, for Acts 8:39 when the angel caught Philip away. I believe that it is important to be able to make these differences because of the references to the Angel. There is a difference between a spirit and the Spirit. John the baptist was a messenger, whereas Christ was the Messenger. John was that one and Jesus was that One. John was considered to be a prophet whereas Jesus was indeed the Prophet. These things are important because they were important to the writer of the book of John. Do you have more comments on Acts 15:8 ? How about Romans 8:15? Have we received a spirit or the Spirit of adoption as sons? From the heart, Ray |
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5 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | with_faith_i_walk | 89814 | ||
Greetings Ray, As for the reference to Acts 15:8, there can be no doubts that the Spirit spoken of is indeed the Holy Spirit of God, the living Being in the Trinity. This was evidence to Peter that they had been chosen by God through his spiritual presence in them (them being the Gentiles, of course). As for the capitalization of the Spirit in Acts 2:18, in keeping with the tradition of capitalizing the names and references to God, then when it is written, "Even upon My bondslaves, both men and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit And they shall prophecy." For it IS the being of God that was promised, the Holy Spirit of the Trinity. God dwelling inside of man allows even the bondslaves to prophecy. Again, in Romans 8:16, the Spirit is the being of God in the Trinity. Those who had faith were adopted into sonship by receiving the Holy Spirit of God. It is this gift, through our faith in Jesus Christ, that truly defines our discipleship, and our Christianity. In Christ, LGC |
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6 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | Ray | 89851 | ||
Hi LGC, In comparing Acts 15:8 and Acts 2:18 I as a "counter" of pronouns of Deity see two comparisons when the spirit is put in lower case. Acts 15:8, "And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, (giving them the holy spirit), just as **He did to us;" Acts 18:1b, "...I will in those days pour forth of My *spirit and they shall prophesy. And **I will grant wonders in the sky above And signs on the earth beneath, Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke." Also, Acts 15:11,12 and Acts 2:22 Acts 15:11, "'But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.' And all the multitude kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they were relating what SIGNS AND WONDERS God had done through them among the Gentiles. And after they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, 'Brethren, listen to me. Simeon has related how God/ first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,...'" Acts 2:22, NKJ, "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, WONDERS, AND SIGNS which God/ did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know--Him, being delivered up by the predetermined plan..." The "Him" that starts verse 23 is "this One" in the Greek and "this Man" in the NASB. The slashes are mine to show comparisons. My point is that the comparison of the poured out spirit and the gift of the holy spirit would not have been made in my personal study if spirit had been capitalized. The comparison of SIGNS AND WONDERS would not have been made if spirit or holy spirit had been capitalized. The significance of "this Man" would not have been noted if spirit had been capitalized. 1) Now may I say some things about your post for I do thank you for continuing our conversation. I have noticed from past posts that you do not like to speak of the Person [sic] of the Holy Spirit and have spoken of "its work". We like to remind people on the forum that this third Person of the Trinity is not an "it". Also, I would say that the Holy Spirit is not a being. There is no strange god or being among us. I note that you wrote here in this post of both the "being of God" and the "living Being of the Trinity". I am sorry if I sound picky, but I just notice these things after years of looking at capitalization. May I note also, that sometimes when anyone on the forum wants to stress a word, the popular thing is to capitalize it or put it in ALL CAPS. This can be confusing, deceptive, or appropriate depending on the situation. In any case, I welcome a continued conversation about these things. Perhaps I can get Tim Moran or some other person knowledgeable in the Greek to address my parenthesis in Acts 15:8. From the heart, Ray |
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7 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | with_faith_i_walk | 89873 | ||
Greetings Ray, My apologies for referring to the Spirit as an "it," (which I do more than I'd like) but it is because I think it is unwise to refer to Him as being a "Person" - as though he had arms and legs. I guess I would be considered thinking outside the box in that respect. By stating the Being of the Holy Spirit, I am acknowledging that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit is not a "Person" or an "embodiment"; for only the Son was made Incarnate. Jesus said in the Book of John, that "as God is a spirit, so you must worship in Spirit." I think when we refer to God as a "person," (as some conclude that because the Book of Genesis says, "Let Us make him in Our image" that he is indeed a "person") that we offer the idea that God is like us, in the flesh. However, this is most certainly not the case, so I avoid referring to God as a person. We do refer to Him as a)masculine (Him, He) and b)having a humanly function (Father), however these are analogies for us to better understand our Creator. I am most curious why you do not equate the words "giving them the [holy spirit]" with God actually pouring out His Spirit into the bodies of the Gentiles. I just do not see any significant evidence to the contrary. I am always most eager to see a different view point however. In Christ, LGC |
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8 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | Ray | 89945 | ||
Hi LGC, I commend you for wanting to state that God is not like us. The difference is shown in your use of capitalization in "Let us make him in Our image." There is a difference between a "him" and Him and between "us" and Us. But again, there is a difference between a person and a Person; and a man and the Man Jesus Christ. So I, too, avoid referring to God as a person but I see nothing against seeing Him as a Person. For instance, I agree with the NKJ version for 1 Corinthians 15:47-49. "The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven." And it goes on and talks of the heavenly Man and that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (who is Spirit is He not?) 2) In the first paragraph of your post you said "I think it is unwise to refer to Him as being a "Person" - as though he had arms and legs." However, I would say that Him and Person would require that "He" [sic] had arms and legs and therein is their problem. They think that just because the Lord has arms and legs they can relegate Him to a lower case "he". 3) John 4:24, has us worshipping in spirit [sic] and truth for both NASB and NKJ. I go with the NKJ and the alternate reading in my NASB Study Bible, "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." 4) Acts 2:17 and 18 speaks of God pouring forth His *spirit "upon" all mankind rather than entering into the bodies. Verse 33 says that "He has poured forth this which you both see and hear." I look forward to your thoughts. From the heart, Ray |
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