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1 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | Ray | 89851 | ||
Hi LGC, In comparing Acts 15:8 and Acts 2:18 I as a "counter" of pronouns of Deity see two comparisons when the spirit is put in lower case. Acts 15:8, "And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, (giving them the holy spirit), just as **He did to us;" Acts 18:1b, "...I will in those days pour forth of My *spirit and they shall prophesy. And **I will grant wonders in the sky above And signs on the earth beneath, Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke." Also, Acts 15:11,12 and Acts 2:22 Acts 15:11, "'But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.' And all the multitude kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they were relating what SIGNS AND WONDERS God had done through them among the Gentiles. And after they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, 'Brethren, listen to me. Simeon has related how God/ first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,...'" Acts 2:22, NKJ, "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, WONDERS, AND SIGNS which God/ did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know--Him, being delivered up by the predetermined plan..." The "Him" that starts verse 23 is "this One" in the Greek and "this Man" in the NASB. The slashes are mine to show comparisons. My point is that the comparison of the poured out spirit and the gift of the holy spirit would not have been made in my personal study if spirit had been capitalized. The comparison of SIGNS AND WONDERS would not have been made if spirit or holy spirit had been capitalized. The significance of "this Man" would not have been noted if spirit had been capitalized. 1) Now may I say some things about your post for I do thank you for continuing our conversation. I have noticed from past posts that you do not like to speak of the Person [sic] of the Holy Spirit and have spoken of "its work". We like to remind people on the forum that this third Person of the Trinity is not an "it". Also, I would say that the Holy Spirit is not a being. There is no strange god or being among us. I note that you wrote here in this post of both the "being of God" and the "living Being of the Trinity". I am sorry if I sound picky, but I just notice these things after years of looking at capitalization. May I note also, that sometimes when anyone on the forum wants to stress a word, the popular thing is to capitalize it or put it in ALL CAPS. This can be confusing, deceptive, or appropriate depending on the situation. In any case, I welcome a continued conversation about these things. Perhaps I can get Tim Moran or some other person knowledgeable in the Greek to address my parenthesis in Acts 15:8. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | with_faith_i_walk | 89873 | ||
Greetings Ray, My apologies for referring to the Spirit as an "it," (which I do more than I'd like) but it is because I think it is unwise to refer to Him as being a "Person" - as though he had arms and legs. I guess I would be considered thinking outside the box in that respect. By stating the Being of the Holy Spirit, I am acknowledging that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit is not a "Person" or an "embodiment"; for only the Son was made Incarnate. Jesus said in the Book of John, that "as God is a spirit, so you must worship in Spirit." I think when we refer to God as a "person," (as some conclude that because the Book of Genesis says, "Let Us make him in Our image" that he is indeed a "person") that we offer the idea that God is like us, in the flesh. However, this is most certainly not the case, so I avoid referring to God as a person. We do refer to Him as a)masculine (Him, He) and b)having a humanly function (Father), however these are analogies for us to better understand our Creator. I am most curious why you do not equate the words "giving them the [holy spirit]" with God actually pouring out His Spirit into the bodies of the Gentiles. I just do not see any significant evidence to the contrary. I am always most eager to see a different view point however. In Christ, LGC |
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3 | Giving them the holy spirit [sic]? | Acts 15:8 | Ray | 89945 | ||
Hi LGC, I commend you for wanting to state that God is not like us. The difference is shown in your use of capitalization in "Let us make him in Our image." There is a difference between a "him" and Him and between "us" and Us. But again, there is a difference between a person and a Person; and a man and the Man Jesus Christ. So I, too, avoid referring to God as a person but I see nothing against seeing Him as a Person. For instance, I agree with the NKJ version for 1 Corinthians 15:47-49. "The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven." And it goes on and talks of the heavenly Man and that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (who is Spirit is He not?) 2) In the first paragraph of your post you said "I think it is unwise to refer to Him as being a "Person" - as though he had arms and legs." However, I would say that Him and Person would require that "He" [sic] had arms and legs and therein is their problem. They think that just because the Lord has arms and legs they can relegate Him to a lower case "he". 3) John 4:24, has us worshipping in spirit [sic] and truth for both NASB and NKJ. I go with the NKJ and the alternate reading in my NASB Study Bible, "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." 4) Acts 2:17 and 18 speaks of God pouring forth His *spirit "upon" all mankind rather than entering into the bodies. Verse 33 says that "He has poured forth this which you both see and hear." I look forward to your thoughts. From the heart, Ray |
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