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1 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65189 | ||
Some clarifications, is tithing for you is ten percent of your income or love offering. If you are talking about ten percent, tithing is not a requirements for Christian today, there is no single teaching of Christ that will require anyone to give tithes but love offering. You cannot find any singel scene in the bible that Christ commanded anyone to give tithes to HIM. Tithes is included in the law of moses, and according to paul it cannot justify us: Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Authority and commandments of receiving tithes was given to the levites not for me not for you not for any pastors of today: Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: If you are talking about love offering, you can give your offering by helping others. If you can find your home church then give to them what purposes of your heart, not ten percent, nor 20 percent but in what purposes of the heart. God love cheerful giver. 2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. God bless, Johnny |
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2 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | prayon | 65219 | ||
Greetings, “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to fulfill them. I assure you, until heaven and earth disappear, even the smallest detail of God’s law will remain until its purpose is achieved. So if you break the smallest commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be great in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt 5:17-19 New Living Translation). prayon | ||||||
3 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65682 | ||
How Jesus Christ fulfill the law anyway? Did He fulfill it like what moses taught? No! did He fulfill it by giving tithes or requiring anyone to give NO! Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus Christ fulfill the law with deep meaning, working on Sabbath is punisheable by death under the law of moses, but Christ allow His disciples with Him to go to cornfields, He also healed sick on Sabbath, did He disobey the law? If you said yes! Then Christ is imprudent to His word in Mt 5:17 if you said NO! and you will agree that Christ observing the law different from the people of Israel observing it. Mr 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. Jesus fulfill this commandments and gave this to us at the same time: Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. What it is in the law we disobey if we observe all this things None. And tithes is not a teaching of Christ Christ teach us that we have to be consistent, otherwise He will call us hypocrites! Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If you observe the tithes, you must observed other matters of the law! You did you kill your brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in Sabbath day? Did you stone to death anyone caught in adultery? Did you not eat all food that prohibited by the law? If you don’t observed those and observe only tithing then My Lord will call you hypocrites! If you observed all those things then, we are from different believed you still under the law. God bless, Johnny |
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4 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | EdB | 65715 | ||
While all Johnny said is true except the concept of the tithing was not initiated with the Law, it existed before the Law, as a way to honor and pay tribute to someone worthy of honor and tribute. I can think of no one more worthy of honor and tribute than God. Johnny keeps ignoring the fact that ministry requires money, missions requires money, church buildings require money. This money has to come from somewhere. It is the responsibility of the church members to see that the funds needed to accomplish the ministry are made available. It is not equal giving but equal sacrifice. EdB |
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5 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65783 | ||
I know that ministry requires money, we have ministry, we have mission, we have evangelistic work on television, all of those needs money, but it is not a reason that we have to teach the teaching that not required by Christ. Paul support his own evangelistic he needs money too, he knows that ministry has requires money, why he did require the members to tithes? because he knows it is not a teaching of Christ. Instead he taught love offering. Do you think paul did not know that minstry requires money that is why he did not require anyone to tithes? if tithes really the very right way of supporting ministry I know paul will do the same thing but he did not do it because he knows that Christ never taught about this, and paul follow the teaching of Christ. If really giving tithes is the way to honor God, are you saying that the desciples did not honor God because they did not give tithes anyway? they never taught to give tithes but love offering, are they not honoring God? Our ministry survives by not requiring tithes but love offering. We have hospitals, home for the aged and for the most unfortunate member of the church, we support that by giving love offering, not ten percent nor 20 but any purposes of the heart. We follow the example of apostles they did not require anyone to give tithes, as they said the authority of receiving it is for the levites because they came from the loins of abraham. We are not levites so we have no authority to receive tithes but love offering. I know the teaching of apostle did have no mistakes when they said that the authority of receiving tithes is for the levites, we just follow that. God bless, Johnny |
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6 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | EdB | 65817 | ||
Johnny Again you always go back to the Law. Forget it! Tithing was before and after the Law. You do not have to be a Levite to receive a tithe that was under the Law. You always say Paul did not get paid but he clearly said a Pastor should be paid, He told how he took money from other churches to support himself. Why can't you see that? Call it what you will love offering, tithe, giving money to the church. The fact remains ministry requires money and the people that receive from the ministry have a moral responsibility to support that ministry. EdB |
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7 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65836 | ||
You write"Again you always go back to the Law. Forget it! You write"Tithing was before and after the Law. You do not have to be a Levite to receive a tithe that was under the Law." Are you suggesting that this verse is a lie? Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: It is not mentioned here that other can take tithes if not under the law. Nowhere in this verse that mentioned that they allow other to take tithes if not under the law. I have to follow the word of God instead of conclusions of other. You write"You always say Paul did not get paid but he clearly said a Pastor should be paid, He told how he took money from other churches to support himself. Why can't you see that?" You always take the discussion to somewhere else, I was talking of paul did not require anyone to tithes. If you remember the discussion now is tithing not about he took money from other churches, it nothing about the tithes. He did not mention that he took the tithes of other churches. You always take the discussion in somewhere else. We talk about tithes here. You write"Call it what you will love offering, tithe, giving money to the church. The fact remains ministry requires money and the people that receive from the ministry have a moral responsibility to support that ministry." Love offering indeed is different from the tihes,love offering was taught by Christ but not the tithes. We have responsibility to our church the same as we have responsibility for our unforunate members. We support our ministry by love offering that was taught by Christ. We know that ministry and missions requires money but this is not a reason that we have to teach the teaching that Christ never taught. God bless, Johnny |
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8 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | EdB | 65916 | ||
Johnny Notice even Levi paid a tithe and to do so he had to give it to a non Levite. Hebrews 7:8-9 In this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case one receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives on. 9And, so to speak, through Abraham even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes, NASB Abraham paid a tithe to Melchizedek and Melchizedek wasn’t a Levite. Jesus did say to pay tithes. Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. NASB Maybe the New Living Translation will make it a little clearer. Matthew 23:23 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income, but you ignore the important things of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things. NLT Now let’s put this to rest , Jesus clearly said to pay a tithe he never said not too. Further many non levites have received tithe’s throughout history. If you don’t agree fine but stop making false statements. EdB |
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9 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65998 | ||
EdB please calm down, please dont tell me that I making false statement you cannot prove that. Even before the law tithes is not a requirement Even abraham pay the tithes, no one requires give but he gave. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Jesus never said here directly that you give tithes, if you give tithes dont forget other matters of the law. As a proof of that no one can show that Jesus received tithes or any desciples give tihes and they not required anyone to tithes. If Jesus clearly said that we have to pay tihes why there is no single moment in the new testament that He receive tithes or there are any desciples give tithes are they not follow the commandments of Christ? Kindly answers those questions. Edb, we have to settle this in Christian tone, again may I request not accusing me of making false statement because you cannot prove that. To prove that I make false statement you should show me any person in the new testament that Christ requires to give tithes, and any single moment that there are desciples that give or receive tithes. May I ask you EdB, did you require your members to give tithes? I want an answer of Yes or No! God bless, Johnny |
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10 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | EdB | 66003 | ||
Johnny Who is changing subjects here. And don't change the reading of the verse. It clearly says they should tithe and also pay attention to the more important parts of the law. You said Jesus never said to pay tithes and I gave you scripture to prove he did. Therefore your statement was false. Of course our members do not have to pay tithes. I have explained over and over that tithing was voluntary except under the law and we are not under the law. Tithing is not wrong, trying to force tithing is wrong. EdB |
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11 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66017 | ||
Again, I dont know if you are starting fight here, you always accussing me that my statement is false. Let me remind you that I post this question to you and you never ecxplain it yet. you can prove that my statement is false if you can prove that there is anyone give tithes to Jesus Christ is there any desciples that received tithes as well: This questions remains. If Jesus clearly said that we have to pay tihes why there is no single moment in the new testament that He receive tithes or there are any desciples give tithes are they not follow the commandments of Christ? Kindly answers those questions. If you cannot show any desciples that received tithes or any desciple that give tithes to Jesus Christ, it is clear that your statement was false and not mine. Johnny |
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12 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | inmyheart | 66021 | ||
In addressing the Christians at Corinth, Paul entered more fully into the right of Christian ministers to the support of the faithful, I Corinthians 16:1, whilst to the Christians at Rome, his words on the subject of almsgiving may serve as a broad general principle for all churches. "If the Gentiles have been made partakers of their [the Christian Jews'] spiritual things, they [the Gentiles] owe it to them [the Christian Jews] also to minister unto them in carnal things," Romans 15:27. The Christians of Philippi, likewise, may be mentioned in this connection, their liberality being recognized by the apostle, who wrote that "in the beginning of the Gospel no church had fellowship with me in the matter of giving and receiving, but ye only: for even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my need," Phil.4:15-17. There were other churches where, for good reasons, Paul chose to forego personal remuneration, I Cor.9:12, but he did not thereby give up his right thereto; for, with the Corinthian Christians, he argues thus: "Have we no right to eat and to drink? . . . What soldier ever serveth at his own charges? . . . If we sowed unto you spiritual things, is it a great matter if we shall reap your carnal things? . . . Know ye not that they which minister about sacred things eat of things of the temple, and they which wait upon the altar have their portion with the altar? Even so did the Lord ordain that they which proclaim the Gospel should live of the Gospel," I Cor.9:4-14. Here the apostle seems to have in mind two sources of maintenance for the Jewish priesthood. The one probably included tithes brought to the storehouse of the temple, Nehemiah 10:37-40, and the other consisted of those portions of the sacrifices which were brought to the altar and retained by the priest, Deuteronomy 18:3, as signified by the words: "They which wait upon the altar have their portion with the altar." Some may contend, however, that the law was abrogated under the Gospel. If so, how much of the law, and in what sense? Is the law so abrogated as that we may now, at our pleasure, murder, lie, and steal? Would that all who for excuse argue that the law is abolished, and so try to evade their responsibility as to setting aside a proportion of their income for God, could be thus quickly convinced! Have we not already seen that Christ came to fulfill the law -- to confirm it to the least iota? Matthew 5:17-18, and fulfilling is the perfecting, not the destruction, of anything. Hence the payment of tithes and offerings applicable to the support of the ministry, and to other religious and charitable works, is clearly the duty of Christians, unless it can be shown that Christ repealed God's law previously promulgated. And this, as Leslie writes (Divine Right of Tithes, Toronto edition, p. 81): "He never did, but rather confirmed it by approving the tithe payments of the Pharisees, and by ordaining that they who preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel. Some would have the Gospel merely eleemosynary -- nothing due, but all freewill offerings. But was this so in the Temple? I trow not: for though there were freewill offerings, there were also tithes and other offerings, the withholding of which was counted as robbery. Moreover, if the ministers of the Temple were sure of at least a tenth, whilst the ministers of the Gospel are not sure of a hundredth part of some men's incomes, where is the truth or appropriateness of the apostle's comparison?" Besides, what was it that the Lord ordained? That every man should give just what he pleased? This men could do without any ordinance being issued to that end. That which leaves every man perfectly at his own liberty is no law at all; and if every an were left thus to act, Christ ordained what amounted to nothing. [The Rev. Richard Duke, of Stirling, Ontario, an earnest advocate of tithe-paying, in support of his conviction that the tithe law is binding upon Christians, argues thus: 1. It is a principle in jurisprudence that when the reasons which originated a law continue to operate, and there is no explicit repeal of the law, the law remains in force. And this principle appears to have the lucidity and force of an axiom . . . 2. That which passed away was the symbolical and figurative. Tithing was neither one nor the other, but a duty issuing from the moral law, which is of perpetual force. 3. True, there is no formal re-enactment of the law of the tithe. But why should such a formal re-enactment be looked for? The law had not become obsolete; it was not indifferently observed. On the contrary it was conspicuously honored in the observance. Similarly there is no formal re-enactment of the Sabbath law; but Christians recognize the law respecting the seventh of time, and by a parity of reasoning should recognize the law respecting the tenth of substance. "I also agree, your view of tithing is not a true teaching." |
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13 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66138 | ||
Inmyheart, As I said in all of my posting regarding tithes, it is not a requirements, people can give freely but if there someone requires them to give, and the amount is mandated i.e ten percent or something there is something wrong. If Christ, and apostle did not require us to give ten percent, why others would try to require us? We can give as free as we can. If we can give more than twenty percent of our income please do, but make sure that there is no someone require you. Thanks for the note, I know we have some disagreement with this before. Everyone learned from each other, and I hope I can make it always in Christian tone. My apology for anyone if may made offended. God bless Johnny |
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