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1 | Rhema and Logos Acts 10:44 | Acts 10:44 | Ray | 64038 | ||
Hi Ronaldo, I was wrong about "rhema" not being in Acts 10:44 for actually, it is. I agree with you that "If anything it is the logos which is received internally in this text." I wonder if you would consider putting in lower case the gift of the holy spirit of verse 45 and the receiving of the holy spirit of verse 47? That is what I have "penciled in" for my personal copy. Again, be assured that I believe in the Person of the Holy Spirit as the Giver. But I also see the holy spirit as the gift. The greatest gift besides the gift of His Son is the gift of the word of God. Acts 11:1, "Now the apostles and the brethren who were throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word [Strong's #3057, logos] of God." From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Acts 10:44 Efective? Creative word? | Acts 10:44 | Ronaldo | 64217 | ||
Hi Tim,Ray The verses and discussion were helpful. But let us continue the discussion. Part of the question that I am looking at is, “Are rhema or/and logos effective/ceative words.. Does repeating a text as in the Jabez prayer bring anything into reality.” Also is “rhema” God actually speaking into the soul as opposed to "logos" being merely the written word, as some say? I note with appreciation the verses helpfully quoted to show that logos and rhema are used interchangeably but let us look and discuss further Acts 10:44 44 While Peter yet spake these words(rhema), the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word (logos). In this passage logos seems to mean “the message”. “These rhema” seems to refer to the words that Peter had been speaking”. It would seem that only those who heard and believed the “logos” experienced a tranformation. Merely repeating logos without faith changes nothing. However first there was “logos”, then there was “hearing”, then there was “faith” then there was a change in reality. Now let us look at Romans 10:17-18 “ So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word (rhema) of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words (rhemata) 4487 unto the ends of the world. Here too, first there is "rhema" then “hearing” followed by “faith” Neither “logos” nor “rhema” change anything without “faith”. Looking at these two texts supports the view that rhema and logos are used interchangeably. Now let us look at John 5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word (logos), and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” The conditions are both hearing and faith . Faith comes only if the Father draws one to Christ. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Wrapped up with this is the Fathers giving us to Jesus. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. If all means “without exception” then there are no exceptions. “Everyone who is drawn will come in faith” The above consideration seem to defeat the viewpoint that “logos” is the written word and “rhema” is the word when God speaks into the soul and it is comprehended. There are those who hear but their hearts are hard and Satan comes and snatches the word away. Secondly “rhema” has no power of itself. All depends on faith and faith is given by God who gives the word. Man never becomes God so that he can created reality merely by repeating words. What do you folk say? |
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3 | Acts 10:44 Efective? Creative word? | Acts 10:44 | Searcher56 | 64243 | ||
Scripture ... Mat 6:7; 1 Tim 6:6-10 (Job 1:21) ... Ronaldo, greetings as I interupt. Do not repeat the prayer of Jabez, or any other prayer ... it will become meaningless. Just because you repeat that prayer, does't mean it will come to be. I believe Jabez's prayer has been abused by many. Be content with what gives you ... be it a dime or diamond. Do not interchange rhema and logos ... the meanings have been given to you. Searcher |
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4 | Acts 10:44 Efective? Creative word? | Acts 10:44 | Hank | 64271 | ||
Hi, Searcher, this is Hanker :-) And Hanker agrees with you about "repeating" Jabez's prayer (or any other prayer) as if it were a mantra repeated by a Hindu while in a full Lotus position! "Saying" or "repeating" words in mindless fashion in order to achieve some mysterious "effect" is not the scriptural definition of prayer at all. Jesus clearly condemned the pious Jews who made a ritual of prayer and did it for show. I read a message to the prospective reader of the little book, "The Prayer of Jabez" (whether on the dust-jacket blurb or in a review I can't recall) that said, "Repeat the prayer of Jabez every day for 30 days and see what happens." That alone was enough to convince me that I would not buy the book. It sounded like something one would expect to find in an advertisement for Rogaine or a 'miracle cure' food supplement. --Hank | ||||||
5 | Acts 10:44 Efective? Creative word? | Acts 10:44 | EdB | 64272 | ||
Hank Oh no! Just when I beginning to see new hair! :-) EdB |
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6 | Acts 10:44 Efective? Creative word? | Acts 10:44 | Hank | 64274 | ||
Well, you know how it is, Ed. Things of this world are temporal. Hair today, gone tomorrow! And for all I know, Jabez may have been as bald as a peeled onion. --Hank | ||||||
7 | Acts 10:44 Efective? Creative word? | Acts 10:44 | Ronaldo | 64275 | ||
Acts 10:44 Thanks for the comments on the Jabez prayer. I too have not found a faith healer who specializes in curing baldness-perhaps it is more difficult than raising the dead. My hair is not restored and I am not even sure if it will be in the resurrection. I must rely on intellegence to impress my wife-so could you pass some along. However, I will be pleased if anyone can comment on faith making "rhema" or "logos" effective or discuss any of the other points I made in my comments. Good talking to you guys! |
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8 | Acts 10:44 Efective? Creative word? | Acts 10:44 | Searcher56 | 64289 | ||
The "healers" also never seem to heal vision problems ... my eyes are on heaven. | ||||||