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NASB | Acts 10:44 ¶ While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Acts 10:44 ¶ While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who were listening to the message [confirming God's acceptance of Gentiles]. |
Bible Question (short): Acts 10:44 Efective? Creative word? |
Question (full): Hi Tim,Ray The verses and discussion were helpful. But let us continue the discussion. Part of the question that I am looking at is, “Are rhema or/and logos effective/ceative words.. Does repeating a text as in the Jabez prayer bring anything into reality.” Also is “rhema” God actually speaking into the soul as opposed to "logos" being merely the written word, as some say? I note with appreciation the verses helpfully quoted to show that logos and rhema are used interchangeably but let us look and discuss further Acts 10:44 44 While Peter yet spake these words(rhema), the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word (logos). In this passage logos seems to mean “the message”. “These rhema” seems to refer to the words that Peter had been speaking”. It would seem that only those who heard and believed the “logos” experienced a tranformation. Merely repeating logos without faith changes nothing. However first there was “logos”, then there was “hearing”, then there was “faith” then there was a change in reality. Now let us look at Romans 10:17-18 “ So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word (rhema) of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words (rhemata) 4487 unto the ends of the world. Here too, first there is "rhema" then “hearing” followed by “faith” Neither “logos” nor “rhema” change anything without “faith”. Looking at these two texts supports the view that rhema and logos are used interchangeably. Now let us look at John 5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word (logos), and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” The conditions are both hearing and faith . Faith comes only if the Father draws one to Christ. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Wrapped up with this is the Fathers giving us to Jesus. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. If all means “without exception” then there are no exceptions. “Everyone who is drawn will come in faith” The above consideration seem to defeat the viewpoint that “logos” is the written word and “rhema” is the word when God speaks into the soul and it is comprehended. There are those who hear but their hearts are hard and Satan comes and snatches the word away. Secondly “rhema” has no power of itself. All depends on faith and faith is given by God who gives the word. Man never becomes God so that he can created reality merely by repeating words. What do you folk say? |