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1 | Dear Doc Isa 14:8 | Acts 10:38 | C.S.M. | 154596 | ||
Dear Doc, Another passage is Isaiah 14:4 as some scholars state that in scripture when the prophet was speaking of "a king" over a nation it refers to the demonic force controlling the "prince" which we would call a king on earth, of that nation. The scripture many times speaks of a natural kingdom and the spiritual kingdom that controls that kingdom..The criteria of that statement is Ro 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom you eield yourselves servants to obey his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death or of obedience unto righteousness. Do we agree that satan is the author of sin as Jesus is the author of faith? In that context all of mankind is either serving God or satan. That also agrees with Eph 2:1-3 with the descriptive terms used for satan as "prince of the power of the air", "the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience", these children are also called "the children of wrath" which I discern are those who have obeyed satan "also called wrath," rather than God. We realize the battle between God and satan is the battle for the minds, wills and emotions, or souls of mankind. Isaiah 14:4 (knowing that satan is the oppressor)in the spiritual realm, and the ruler of Babylon was obeying him, we realize that Isa 14:8 is talking about the final defeat of satan,"Since you are laid down, no feller (human being) is come up against us." II Tim 3:16 tells us ALL scripture is given by inspriation of God....so whatever is written is given directly from God's throne, whether it was spoken from the lips of Jesus or inspired by The Holy Spirit or written by the writers of the Old and New Testaments. God is eternal and he had the whole book written over centuries by different "pencils" aka known as prophets, priests and kings, apostles etc. Of course you are right, it was not a direct quote from Jesus, but by the inspirataion of God through Peter, when he went under God's direction to the house of Cornelius, and the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word..Acts 10:44..and part of that word was Acts 10:38. Peter was on his mission commanded of God, and he was reciting the works of God, "how GOD anointed Jesus with THE HOLY GHOST and POWER who went about doing good and HEALING all that were oppressed of the devil." Acts 10:38 Matt 4:23 and 9:35 states the three fold plan of the ministry of Jesus: Teaching, Preaching, and Healing. As we read the gospels these are the three things he did continually. He is our example and we are to do John 14:10, 12, Jesus declared that it was "the Father in me,..he doeth the works" then promptly states "He that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do because I go to my Father." The church today is supposed to be doing these things like Jesus said, and to do that a person has to realize where the oppression comes from, and when satan is laid down, there won't be any more oppression. God is not the oppressor, mankind, without satan's influence, won't be fighting each other any more or oppressing according to Isa 14:8. C.S.M. |
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2 | Dear Doc Isa 14:8 | Acts 10:38 | DocTrinsograce | 154597 | ||
Dear CSM, Thank you for taking more time to substantiate your position from the Word. That's what this forum is about! This is how we learn to understand the Bible and its doctrines. Contending and deliberating over the Word of God is an exercise of great value to the believer. If you would do me one favor: when you are responding directly to another forum member, try to always post as a response. The system will notify the other forum member via e-mail (as my responses have done for you). Otherwise someone might miss your response. Since I'm hanging out trying to get some homework done, I just happened to notice your last two posts. Now, the thesis that you are trying to support is this: All oppression has demonic origins. (Please correct me if I am misrepresenting your position. It won't be worth a thing if we end up arguing over something that no one is actually saying!) Isaiah has significance on many different levels. Passages such as the one you cite have been debated for centuries. Although there is quite a bit of debate on the identity of the princes and kings mentioned in Scripture, and I'd be loathe to state that there was scholarly concensus, I believe that Isaiah was writing on all of those levels simultaneously. (We could discuss that sometime if you like.) Therefore, I will agree with your statement that there is reference to a demonic force influencing the king of Babylon. This is a single instance, however, and we cannot generalize from only a single instance. One must remember that God says, "The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever He will." (Proverbs 21:1) Indeed, in Daniel 6 we have the King of Babylon himself asserting that God is sovereign over even kings! Romans 6 is a discussion of sin itself. We do not find Paul equating sin with the devil anywhere. Remember, according to 2 Cor 11:3, Eve was deceived by the serpent. However, Adam sinned of His own free will. Our first parents fell from their original righteousness, and their sin was imputed to us. The old divines state it this way: "They being the root, and by God's appointment, standing in the room and stead of all mankind, the guilt of the sin was imputed, and corrupted nature conveyed, to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation, being now conceived in sin, and by nature children of wrath, the servants of sin, the subjects of death, and all other miseries, spiritual, temporal, and eternal, unless the Lord Jesus set them free. (Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22, 45, 49; Psalms 51:5; Job 14:4; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:20 Romans 5:12; Hebrews 2:14, 15; 1 Thessalonians 1:10)*" This is called imputation. Consequently, I would not agree that "Satan is the author of sin." Such a statement is true in a very narrow sense, but it is also misleading, since it neglects the full story. Again, Acts 10:38 does not state that all oppression is demonic. Christ did, indeed, demonstrate authority over the demons. He also demonstrated authority over nature, man, etc. His miraculous acts are the evidence of Who He is. Yes, you are correct in your assertions regarding Matthew 4:23 and 9:35. Remember, however, that a proper understanding of Christ encompasses His ministry, His life, and His atonement. You wrote, "The church today is supposed to be doing these things like Jesus said..." That is incorrect. The instructions for the church are found in Matthew 28:18-20. A variety of apostolic and early church elders provide us with further instruction in the epistles on how these things are to be carried out. You will find nowhere in Scripture instructions to "perform the work of Christ." We are to be imitators of His character and nature, but Christ's work is no more accomplishable by believers than is the work of the Holy Spirit. You wrote, "God is not the oppressor, mankind, without satan's influence, won't be fighting each other any more or oppressing according to Isa 14:8." (sic) I'd encourage you to look to the Scripture for the origins of evil. (cf Mark 7:21-23; 1 Cor 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21) Those passages do not mention the devil at all. Sir, you need to understand the enemy if you are going to oppose him properly. The devil is, indeed, an enemy, but there are two other enemies in the world. They are not all defeated using the same weapons. Now, I encourage you to keep digging. It is important for both of us to find solid Scriptural grounding for the doctrines we embrace. I think you will find that orthodoxy offers answers with greater clarity than you may have been led to believe. I'd also like to commend you, again, for adjusting your responses and working toward a common goal. These are evidences of our Lord's work in your life! In Him, Doc * 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, Chapter 6, Paragraph 3 |
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