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NASB | Acts 10:38 "You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with great power; and He went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him. [Is 61:1-3; Luke 4:18-21] |
Subject: Dear Doc Isa 14:8 |
Bible Note: Dear CSM, Thank you for taking more time to substantiate your position from the Word. That's what this forum is about! This is how we learn to understand the Bible and its doctrines. Contending and deliberating over the Word of God is an exercise of great value to the believer. If you would do me one favor: when you are responding directly to another forum member, try to always post as a response. The system will notify the other forum member via e-mail (as my responses have done for you). Otherwise someone might miss your response. Since I'm hanging out trying to get some homework done, I just happened to notice your last two posts. Now, the thesis that you are trying to support is this: All oppression has demonic origins. (Please correct me if I am misrepresenting your position. It won't be worth a thing if we end up arguing over something that no one is actually saying!) Isaiah has significance on many different levels. Passages such as the one you cite have been debated for centuries. Although there is quite a bit of debate on the identity of the princes and kings mentioned in Scripture, and I'd be loathe to state that there was scholarly concensus, I believe that Isaiah was writing on all of those levels simultaneously. (We could discuss that sometime if you like.) Therefore, I will agree with your statement that there is reference to a demonic force influencing the king of Babylon. This is a single instance, however, and we cannot generalize from only a single instance. One must remember that God says, "The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever He will." (Proverbs 21:1) Indeed, in Daniel 6 we have the King of Babylon himself asserting that God is sovereign over even kings! Romans 6 is a discussion of sin itself. We do not find Paul equating sin with the devil anywhere. Remember, according to 2 Cor 11:3, Eve was deceived by the serpent. However, Adam sinned of His own free will. Our first parents fell from their original righteousness, and their sin was imputed to us. The old divines state it this way: "They being the root, and by God's appointment, standing in the room and stead of all mankind, the guilt of the sin was imputed, and corrupted nature conveyed, to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation, being now conceived in sin, and by nature children of wrath, the servants of sin, the subjects of death, and all other miseries, spiritual, temporal, and eternal, unless the Lord Jesus set them free. (Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22, 45, 49; Psalms 51:5; Job 14:4; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:20 Romans 5:12; Hebrews 2:14, 15; 1 Thessalonians 1:10)*" This is called imputation. Consequently, I would not agree that "Satan is the author of sin." Such a statement is true in a very narrow sense, but it is also misleading, since it neglects the full story. Again, Acts 10:38 does not state that all oppression is demonic. Christ did, indeed, demonstrate authority over the demons. He also demonstrated authority over nature, man, etc. His miraculous acts are the evidence of Who He is. Yes, you are correct in your assertions regarding Matthew 4:23 and 9:35. Remember, however, that a proper understanding of Christ encompasses His ministry, His life, and His atonement. You wrote, "The church today is supposed to be doing these things like Jesus said..." That is incorrect. The instructions for the church are found in Matthew 28:18-20. A variety of apostolic and early church elders provide us with further instruction in the epistles on how these things are to be carried out. You will find nowhere in Scripture instructions to "perform the work of Christ." We are to be imitators of His character and nature, but Christ's work is no more accomplishable by believers than is the work of the Holy Spirit. You wrote, "God is not the oppressor, mankind, without satan's influence, won't be fighting each other any more or oppressing according to Isa 14:8." (sic) I'd encourage you to look to the Scripture for the origins of evil. (cf Mark 7:21-23; 1 Cor 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21) Those passages do not mention the devil at all. Sir, you need to understand the enemy if you are going to oppose him properly. The devil is, indeed, an enemy, but there are two other enemies in the world. They are not all defeated using the same weapons. Now, I encourage you to keep digging. It is important for both of us to find solid Scriptural grounding for the doctrines we embrace. I think you will find that orthodoxy offers answers with greater clarity than you may have been led to believe. I'd also like to commend you, again, for adjusting your responses and working toward a common goal. These are evidences of our Lord's work in your life! In Him, Doc * 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, Chapter 6, Paragraph 3 |
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