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1 | How to determine if 2 or 1 | John 8:17 | thisbabbler | 130866 | ||
John 10:30 has long been used to support the trinity, even though at John 17:21, 22, Jesus prayed regarding his followers: “That they may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.” He used the same Greek word (hen) for “one” in all these instances. Obviously, Jesus’ disciples do not all become part of the Trinity. But they do come to share a oneness of purpose with the Father and the Son, the same sort of oneness that unites God and Christ. Paul also used the same expression for "one" at 1 Cor 3:8 regarding Apollos and himself. John 8:17 shows Jesus indicating that he and God are not one, but two that bear witness. I've heard some rather weak arguments in attempting to overlook the obvious meaning of John 10:30 and 8:17, necessitated on the rendering of John 1:1. Put that verse aside and all that's left is John 20:28; however, verse 17 shows even the doubter did not mean to say Jesus was his God. What did he mean? While one cannot be certain, God's words to Moses at Ex 7:1 and 4:16 are enlightening. Many translators insert "like" or "as" God, or fail to capitalize the "G" in order to interpret for the reader, but literally, God made Moses God to Aaron and Pharaoh. Now Tom saw that God made Jesus "as God" or "God" to him! Moses told of the importance of realizing this fact at Deut 18:14-19: verse 19 states "If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account."Yes, God's prophet that He sent to speak in God's name, not God himself however.See Edgar Goodspeed's American Translation for his rendering of John 1:1 then ask why the difference. Good translation considers the original language text and grammar rules, in context with the surrounding verses and the entire Bible. The overwhelming Scriptural evidence is that Jesus is the son of God and not God. This fact is supported by the correct translation of John 1:1 in context with John's Gospel and the entire word of God. In other words, the trinity texts are a thimble full of murky water compared to the pristine ocean of the Bible.I would list all the verses that show Jesus was sent, raised up, taught, obeyed, prayed to and worshiped the only true God, but it would be far too unwieldy. | ||||||
2 | How to determine if 2 or 1 | John 8:17 | BradK | 130869 | ||
Babbler, How does your statement comply with the following: "Postings must be Biblically based and not opposing to the authority of the Bible, Christianity, or the deity of Jesus Christ. Whenever possible, postings should include supporting Bible references." BradK |
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