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1 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | Inquisitor | 222908 | ||
Quoted from Doc: Anyway, relative to baptism: baptism is something that the saved do, not something that makes them saved. Birds fly because they are birds, flying does not make them birds. I'm not sure about the analogy of birds and their inborn ability to fly to this discussion. But I am interested in following ALL of the Words from the Bible on the subject of becoming a christian. It just seems like there's so much controversy and I don't understand why. I read Mk 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." Yes, I can ackowledge in light of CDBJ's post, there are some scriptures that DON'T say the word "baptism" but God only has to say something once and we should do it, right? After all, He is God. So in addition to believing, confessing, and repenting, it just seems natural to tell everyone when we're discussing this subject that baptism is part of the process. After all, one doesn't have the whole enchilada without all the vital ingredients, right? I'm just trying to get us all on the same page and aim for that unity for which our Lord prayed to His Father. Later on Paul encourages all christians to be of one mind, one faith, one body, one Lord and one baptism. Eph 4:4-6 It's not my obsession with this concept...it's the Lord's. He wants us to come to Him, as HE (and only He) is "the Way, the Truth and the Life." Jn 14:6 |
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2 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | Beja | 222912 | ||
Inquisitor, To my knowledge there are only two places in scripture that people mistakenly think are teaching that baptism is a step in actually becomming saved. These are Mark 16:15 and Acts 2:38. I think it is important that we make the observation that both of these remarks originated with Peter. In acts, we are listening to Peter's words as reported by Luke. In Mark, it has always been widely known that Mark's gospel is in fact from Peter. So both are rooted in the preaching of Peter. Why is this important? Because in 1 Peter 3:21, Peter corrects the possible missinterpretation of what he is saying. Peter 3: 21 "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Look at what Peter is saying! He says that when he refers to baptism saving anybody, he doesn't mean the water dipping that is the physical act of baptism! When he says things that indicate baptism saves us, what he really means is the act that baptism represents, which is the heart's response to God in Repentence and Faith. Baptism was, as Steve has said in an earlier post, the visible action that professed the saving faith and repentence. So it was closely tied to the idea of being saved, but Peter denies that it is itself what saves. So as you yourself have asserted, we have to affirm all of these scriptures. And affirming all of these scriptures includes affirming what Peter says when he denies teaching that the act of baptism saves you! In Christ, Beja |
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3 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | DocTrinsograce | 222920 | ||
Wow, Pastor... Our church is doing a thorough exposition of Peter's epistles this year in Sunday School. This was brought out in that study. I am ashamed for not having thought of it. Thank you for reminding us of Peter's clarification on the point! | ||||||