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1 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | Inquisitor | 222885 | ||
I agree with your response and the scriptures in support but other folks on TV and some of my friends keep on adding the verses about baptism. How can we ignore all the verses in the Bible about that subject? Even Jesus said "Repent and be baptized..." I forget where. | ||||||
2 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | BradK | 222887 | ||
Hello inquisitor, May I say, we need to consider the "whole counsel of scripture" in determining a doctrine. Notice you said, " but other folks on TV and some of my friends keep on adding the verses about baptism." It matters not what folks on TV or friends, add, but "what saith the scripture" (Rom. 4:3) As F.F. Bruce notes in his work "The Canon of Scripture", "It is not enough to say 'the Bible says...' without at the same time considering to whom the Bible says it, and in what circumstances." What does the entirety of scripture teach aboout baptism? Read the book of Romans- especially the first 4 chapters. Note Eph. 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Read the 11th chapter of Hebrews- faith's "hall of fame". Notice the phrase, "by faith..." It is not about "by baptism", is it? Our great cloud of witnesses all were commended for their faith. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | Inquisitor | 222888 | ||
Brad and Doc: I agree with the gist of what you're saying, especially about the "whole counsel of Scripture." So based on that wise guidance, why am I not encouraged to go ahead and be baptized in addition to all the other items of obedience? As you say, Romans does offer some good words about baptism and the analogy to the death of Christ so it does seem baptism is an important element in this process. Wouldn't you agree? All of those folks bragged about in Heb 11 were famous to both God and man because they obeyed all of God's commands. How can we hope to get by with any less? As for the TV info and my friends, I'm always open-minded to those who sincerely study God's Word and want to follow His Will. I also agree with you 100 percent about studying the Bible within the context. That's a must. Otherwise we'd all be bringing a coat to Paul in the first century, ha-ha. |
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4 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | CDBJ | 222889 | ||
Greetings, According to Scripture one is already a Christian before they can even be baptized, other wise it “isn’t a meaningful” baptism. Acts 8:35-38 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; (When should one be baptized) what doth hinder me to be baptized? (Answer, i.e. condition) 37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. (Believe what; that Jesus is God’s appointed one even the very Son of God Himself) And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Result) 38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. Baptism is the first thing one can do in obedience to the Father as a new born child of the family of God. Have a great day, CDBJ |
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5 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | Inquisitor | 222892 | ||
CDBJ, I'm hoping you're also persuaded that we all need to heed to "the whole counsel of ALL scripture." What does all the rest of the verses on this subject say to your heart? |
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6 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | CDBJ | 222899 | ||
Well for starters; If Water baptism has anything to do with ones salvation then the apostle John has misinformed all those that read his gospel. John 20:30-31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. No mention of water baptism and the totality for John writing the book was to inform us how to have eternal life, not to mention the following. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Again not baptism! John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Either John was very forgetful, disobedient to the leading of the Holy Spirit when penning the Word, or it isn’t a must within the confines of Salvation in Jesus. He made the same mistake again when he wrote his first epistle; Tongue in cheek! 1 John 5:10-13 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Paul must have been consumed by the same malady, the neglect of water baptism. Ephes. 1:12-14 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephes. 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. There again the neglect of baptism. Any one who tries to add his own personal efforts, which “includes water baptism” along with the numerous other things that people include “for salvation”, are nullifying the function of total faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross and the plan of God. Therefore they are not saved by grace through faith ALONE in “Christ alone” seeing they are having faith in their baptism in addition to what God has done for them in Jesus: Thus canceling the fundamental of true faith and their eternal life in Christ! Being baptized in water for salvation makes about as much sense as having a free ride on a jet plane going 600 MPH; then stepping out the door of the plane at 35000 feet to try and help speed it up by pushing. Jesus did it all! John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Is there any work that man can do to please God when it comes to salvation? This is it: John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. CDBJ |
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