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1 | What is the meaqning of 'sealing?' | John 6:27 | peacebestill | 208317 | ||
Thomas I think the nature of seals is that God puts the Holy Spirit into the equation, like when Jesus received the Holy Spirit in the Jordan River, and then we see Jesus having been given the power to do His whole ministry. But I also think that when it comes to us the way the seal of the Holy Spirit works is very different because we aren't give the power as a human to save people as God. We are given the promise of salvation, and the power to witness; Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation - having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the uttermost parts of the earth. In Revelation 9:4 it talks about not harming those who have the seal of God in their foreheads - so they must be the saved. But I think unlike the seal of salvation as the Holy Spirit, and unlike the Seal on the Son to give eternal life, here the seal is a visible mark put by God on the foreheads signifying that they are His, that they are saved by the same method and process we are with the seal of the Holy Spirit inside, but this is different, signifying by an outward visible seal mark that they are not of those who have the other visible mark of damnation. peacebestill |
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2 | What is the meaqning of 'sealing?' | John 6:27 | azurelaw | 208360 | ||
Dear peacebestill, Welcome to the forum and it is nice to know that you finally participate the forum through posting instead of acting as a reader :-) In your 1st paragraph I cited below: "I think the nature of seals is that God puts the Holy Spirit into the equation, like when Jesus received the Holy Spirit in the Jordan River, and then we see Jesus having been given the power to do His whole ministry." I am not sure if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that Jesus only got the power for His ministry after He recieved the Holy Spirit as if it is something Jesus does not have or has never have before. Isn't it in contradiction to the doctrine of Trinity? What I understand from the passage about Jesus' being baptized is to express that both the Holy Spirit and God the Father Himself bear the witness for Christ as the Son of God, the Messiah. Thank you in advance for your further elaboration. Shalom Azure |
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3 | What is the meaqning of 'sealing?' | John 6:27 | peacebestill | 208377 | ||
Azure The concept of the train of thought is this; Colossians 1:19 For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him. - first part; Jesus disguised His deity and was still God and not really a man: This would make Jesus as deciever so this understanding of Colossians 1:9 is false. - Jesus is completely Man and completely God. Second part; Jesus became fully human as a real Man, He was still God but gave up independant use of His attributes - examples; Mark 9:21 And He asked his father, "How long has this been happening to him?" etc. - Jesus as God is omnipotent but chose not to know as Man and had to ask the question to find out the answer. Mark 13:32 But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. - Jesus as an omnipotent God subordinated Himself as a member of the sovereign Godhead to choose not to know a thing while in the state of being Man. Third part; Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and etc. - it was not until He became full of the Holy Spirit that He was ready to go be tempted by Satan - Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread etc., verse 15 And He began to teach etc. Fourth part; question, is it possible to do the works of the Father without the power of the Holy Spirit operating through one? No. When did Jesus receive the Holy Spirit and when did He begin working? He received the Holy Spirit in the Jordan and not before, then He went to work the works of His Father after He returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit and He began teaching in that same power. To give you a more direct answer to your last two paragraphs - Jesus had that He as God in eterinty past made full use of His powers. When He came down to live as Man He did not lose any power, but He set the use of it aside until a time came to put it back on to do the work. He never stopped being a Sovereign member of the Godhead with the FULL ABILITY to use His powers, but He chose for a time to put them down. When He got baptized in the Jordan in Luke 3:21 we see exactly what you said, that there was an expression of God the Father Himself bearing witness of Christ as the Son of God, the Messiah. But according to Luke chapter 4:1, 14 there is more to recieving the Holy Spirit than just a recgonition by the Father because the word power does not mean simply power but miraculous power in both verses. In fact in verse 37 of the same passage it says that He was doing miracles by this same miraculous power, the same power He recieved in the Jordan, the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit revealed in Luke 4:14. However I would be careful in clarifying that and say that He could have chosen to use His omnipotent powers any time before the Jordan, but He did not as a choice on His part to subordinate Himself to the Father, and that in doing so He also chose to receive the Holy Spirit in order to put back on the fully divine nature that He momentarily for 30 some odd years put off. I think the Jordan is more than just two things though, I think it is also an example to us, just as Jesus subordinated Himself spiritually and physically to the Father in order to recieve the power of the Holy Spirit, so also we too submit by His example to the same things He did before working for God. I look forward to your response on this as I am interested in the studied opinions of others. peacebestill |
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4 | What is the meaqning of 'sealing?' | John 6:27 | azurelaw | 208382 | ||
Dear peacebestill, Thank you for your elaboration and it is much appreciate. By the way, it would be our pleasure in knowing more about you if you could fill in your user profile. Shalom Azure |
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