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1 | What is worship, according to the Bible? | John 4:24 | Searcher56 | 7734 | ||
I believe worship is being wrongly taught in the church today. It is either by not knowing what the Bible says or by deception. It begins with the definition of worship. I used a lexicon and concordance to see the occurrence of "worship". Then, I looked up the word to see what the original said. The number of verses translated worship varies, from Young's Literal Translation which has 19 verses, to The Good News Bible in Today's English Version (TEV), with 537 verses. I concluded only one word each in the original should be translated worship. - The primary Hebrew word, for "worship", shachah, is a powerful one. It describes the physical act of actually prostrating yourself on the floor before a sovereign, someone who has complete control over you. There are 171 uses of shachah in the Old Testament. It is translated bow, homage, prostrate, worship, weighs it down or a similar words. - Daniel wrote in Aramaic. The word he used, 12 times, is c@gid, pronounces segeed. It is translated to prostrate oneself, do homage, worship. It is related to the Hebrew cagad, used four times (Isa. 44:15, 17, 19, 46:6). It means to prostrate oneself (in worship). - The primary Greek word is proskuneo. It means to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence. Westerns may not under-stand this. It is not a romantic or family kiss. I doubt many of us kiss with reverence, even if we kiss the ring of the Pope. There were ancients that kissed their idols. It is better see it as falling upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence. In the New Testament it means kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication. It is used 60 times in the NAS it is translated bow, prostrated himself before, worship or similar words. There are other words translated into worship, when another word is better … including serve or service. - Each time the NAS mistranslates the word abad or latreuo worship, serve or service fits. Of the 290 times it is used in the Old Testament, abad is translated worship or worshipers only 13 times in the NAS. In Exo. 12:31, the NAS uses worship. Then the similar phase is translated 'abad as serve in Exodus (4:23; 7:16; 8:1, 20; 9:1, 13; 10:3, 7, 8, 11, 24, 26). Also, there are several times where the Bible says "worship and serve" or "serve and worship". Worship is shachah and serve is 'abad. If I thought service is worship and worship is service, I would think it would read "worship and worship". The Hebrew verb for service is latreuo. It means to serve for hire or to serve, minister to, either to the gods or men It is to render religious service or homage … to perform sacred services, to offer gifts. It is used of priests, to officiate, to discharge the sacred office. It is used 16 times in the New Testament. It is translated worship or worshiper only 5 times, in the NAS. Latreia is the Hebrew noun form. The NAS translates latreia as worship three of the five times. Worship and service are connected. Worship is essentially of the heart and mind, expressing submission and penitence toward the Lord. Service is providing the physical symbols and actions (offering sacrifices, washing in the laver, etc) that prompt the inner worship of the soul. Don't forget that service is used in two senses in Scripture--the service of the priests before the altars, and the service of the people in giving alms to the poor and teaching the righteousness of the Lord. Two other words translated worship should be reverence (which occurs more than the words for service) or religion. If you want more, I will be happy to discuss worship. I have written a paper on the subject. I didn't just take the words; I looked at the context… - I looked at who we worship. Are all the names and attributes of God, related to worship? - I asked why we worship, what is the purpose? - I've been taught that some activities (proceedings) were worship, yet was this how we should worship? - I wondered is there a special place we worship? - Finally, when can I worship… what do I need to do to prepares to worship? Steve PS I posted this awhile ago, I do not see it. |
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2 | What is worship, according to the Bible? | John 4:24 | kalos | 7736 | ||
Q: "Each time the NAS mistranslates the word abad or latreuo worship, serve or service fits." A: *You* say that the NAS mistranslates? That's very interesting. Are you implying that you know more about Greek and Hebrew than all the translators of the NASB know after years of study? How did you come by your conclusion that the NAS mistranslates? Did you guess, did you intuit, did you study the original languages for 2 or 3 years? Have you EVER in your life made a formal translation from one language into another? Reading random selections from a lexicon is NOT the equivalent of 2, 3 or more years of taking courses in the Greek language. How do you know the NAS mistranslates? Did you have a dream or a vision? Is that what it says in "The Message?" Tell us, whence cometh this great learning? Even if you have taken courses in or studied Greek, this alone does not make you as qualified as the NAS translators. It takes more than a knowledge of another language to properly translate. |
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3 | Steve explain worship more? | John 4:24 | EdB | 7742 | ||
JVH0212 why all the hostility? Steve made a point that to him worship is the act of prostrating oneself or at least bowing to the floor in submission. He further said that he sees the words commonly translated as worship to really mean worship through service. Now let me ask everyone that says he is wrong, do you believe many people in the church today worship in humble submission to God? Or do most worship only if they feel okay, the music is just right, this is a song they like, and etc. I will say that Steve’s idea could get dangerously close to works but I think we all understand the difference between that and what Steve is describing. JVH0212 you keep using the argument that to challenge a particular translation we must show or prove to have a superior education. Again I submit there are over 100 Translations of the New Testament and each feels they provide a better translation than they one that preceded them. Language is not cut and dried. I have a friend who is a Greek Orthodox priest that speaks fluent Greek and only uses an original language Bible. We get into many discussions. He would be the first to tell you there are passages where he is not sure what the writer was exactly saying. Body language, inflection, facial expressions are all used to clarify what the user of Greek really means. Now my question to Steve is what exactly do you see as needed for true worship to occur in the church today? |
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4 | Steve explain worship more? | John 4:24 | Searcher56 | 7804 | ||
EdB ... I do get flak for this view. One correction, is that we do not worship through service. They are separate. I think you are saying we worship becuase of music. But, that is dangerous ... you used the word "feel", which has caused problems, even in love. Both are facts and a commitment. As far as translations, I pointed out the disparity on the translation of the word worship. I look at other languages, Japanese, Arabic and others. I ask how a verse is translated. They do a better job in my view, since they did not use English as part of there translation process. Now to your question ... We need to correctly know - what worship is. The dictionary definition does not match the words in the Bible. - who we worship. While God may be our Friend, we need to worship Him with the names associated with worship. We need to see the wide gap between us and Him. - why we worship. We do have commands and warnings. It also brings us into His majestic presenece and changes us. - how we should worship. We call many activiies worship. But, they usally are not. Some are associated with worship, like singing. Others are not in the context of any worship example, in the Bible - like dancing. - where we should worship. As Jesus said, it is not a special place, but in spirit and truth. I see most churches not set up to have people fall on their faces. I have done it there, I sit up front or along the aisle. Also, I've done it at home. - when we can worship. It take preparation. We need to prepare our heart, soul nad mind. |
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5 | Steve explain worship more? | John 4:24 | EdB | 7817 | ||
Steve your response fascinates me. You need to expand on the names of God. If we look in the Old Testament we see the people call God various names at various times in various stages of worship. If we read the Bible we know God considers names to be important, yet we seldom use the names scriptures give us for God. Steve as far as bowing or laying prostrate before the Lord you are absolutely right, but in most churches outside charismatic any form of outward worship is frowned upon. Most people view it as an attention attracting attempt to get oneself recognized as more spiritual than they. No wonder God calls us stiff necked. Steve you said to worship properly it takes time. Isn’t that a problem in our society we are instant people we don’t have time. We rush to work, rush at our work, rush to get home, rush to get supper, rush to get the kids to bed, rush to this, that, or another thing. Taking time??? Boy that is deep I wonder how God would react if His people started taking time for Him. That last sentence was tongue in cheek for those that want to get mad. :-) Steve I read your other response on the same subject I will request a copy of your document. Thanks for the offer Ed |
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6 | Steve explain worship more? | John 4:24 | Searcher56 | 7819 | ||
Time is amazing. With the improvement in how fast we can get to work and elsewhere, we are spending less time with our family, much less, with God. I sent you a copy of my paper. | ||||||