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1 | God--the "loving Father" of whom? | John 3:16 | justme | 87141 | ||
JibbyJee: Good question. Most clearly not everyone has the LORD Almighty as their father. I can not presume to know who is predestined to be saved. In all honesty I keep that judgement for the LORD. Election and Predestination, to me are two poles going paralel in the same direction. There are some people who are clearly the children of devil, Hitler and the like, if you understand what I mean. Therefore one is able to be as blunt as Jesus was. However, there are examples of very wicked people repenting and turning to Christ. David is one we turn to establish that all infants are innocent and under grace. This brings us to a question of are we saved and then choose to reject Jesus? Is there such a thing as Christian nurture? Thoughts? justme |
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2 | God--the "loving Father" of whom? | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87184 | ||
I agree with you. There is no way for our finite minds to know who the elect of God are. I guess this is one of those questions that clearly draws the dividing line in the sand between Arminians and Calvinists. It is not as much an issue of the nature of election or predestination as much as it is an issue of Biblical sequence and chronology. I believe some things have to happen before others can occur. For example, you proposed the hypethetical that asked whether or not we are born saved and then lose that status by our own actions. I don't believe anyone is born saved because that would mean that people are in Christ at birth without being spiritually born-again. To be saved one must be born again (John 3:3), which is a gift of God (Eph. 2:8-9) that does not come from the will or desire of man but purely by the will of God (Romans 9:16). To be born saved would mean you would have to be redeemed at birth (Gal. 3:13), given to the Son by the Father (John 6:37) never to be lost by Him (John 6:39-40; John 10:28-29; 1 John 5:13) thus being guaranteed of eternal life. From this, you can see that if anyone is born saved, then we should all be universalists because no one can be saved and end up in Hell. However, I think we are all born deserving of eternal punishment (Ps. 58:3; Gen. 6:5; Rom. 3:10-11). Therefore, as you and I both believe, for God to save children is not a matter of Him being just and giving them what they deserve, but rather that He has mercy upon them despite their sinful condition. Being saved for an adult is no different. We aren't saved simply because we choose to be saved. We choose to be saved because he has mercy on us and delivers us from the bondage of sin upon our entire being. That's how I see it anyway. Looking forward to hearing back from you! Alive in Jesus, JibbyJee |
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3 | God--the "loving Father" of whom? | John 3:16 | justme | 87191 | ||
JibbyJee: I agree with you completly! This is one reason I see Scripture does not allow for infant baptism. There is no way to secure a infants salvation by any other means than by the salvation through Jesus Christ. I do think there is an age of accountablity, wihch only God knows what it is for that person. What do you think? justme |
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4 | God--the "loving Father" of whom? | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87201 | ||
justme Thanks for responding! You're quick! LoL The paedobaptism issue is one that I am not very familiar with. I am not from the Lutheran/Presbyterian tradition so I can't say I have much experience with the reasons for infant baptism other than it's considered a covenant with God. It's easy for me to associate the practice with the Roman Catholic Church, thereby getting goosebumps and stomach cramps, but that isn't really fair. I can think of several godly men that I look up to a lot (RC Sproul for example) who practice infant baptisms because of theological reasons (Covenant Theology). But like I said, I'm mostly ignorant of the issue and will likely remain a "immersion" Baptism guy. As far as the age of accountability, I don't worry about that too much because I think it's something between God and individuals, like you said. So it's not something that can be dogmatically designated (like Mormons do). I believe God justifies and in so doing has mercy and compassion on whom He wills (Rom. 9:18). I trust that God always does what is right. See you later! Alive in Jesus, JibbyJee |
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