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1 | Jesus went to God immediately? | John 20:17 | DocTrinsograce | 241484 | ||
Hi, 00123... You asked about my post... for reference, see: Sentence 2 of post #241477: "I cannot fathom how anyone can hold that 'in the Father's hands' [cf Luke 23:46] is Purgatory, or some kind of multicompartmental Hell." Yes, it does represent a personal wish. A wish to understand how the purgatorium dogmatics exegete the passage: "And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, 'Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT.' Having said this, He breathed His last" (Luke 23:46 NASB). Our Lord was quoting a Messianic psalm of David (Psalm 31). Stephen uses the same phrase at his martyrdom (Acts 7:59). If we hold to the doctrine that Christ went to Purgatory, then He must have meant that "in the Father's hands" was to be put in such a place. That would also mean that David meant in the psalm to ask God to place him in Purgatory. It would also mean that Stephen was beseeching the Lord Jesus to send him to Purgatory. To me, that just doesn't sound right. Does it to you? You advised, "Speak by the Word plz." (sic) I am trying to by citing Psalm 31, Luke 23, and Acts 7. To more explicitly comply with your request, let me speak by the Word in quoting "Into Your hand I commit my spirit; You have ransomed me, O LORD, God of truth" (Psalms 31:5 NASB). Typically, referencing a passage assumes that the reader will look up a verse or chapter in order to read it and its context for themselves. You wrote, "Anyhow, are you saying that Jesus went to God Father immediately upon His death?" (sic) I did not assert that. However, it is a logical possibility. It certainly seems to be a superior exegesis of the passage -- otherwise you would not have made the observation. Harmonizing what our Savior said in Luke 23 and John 20 does not require us to adopt a belief in Purgatory or multi-compartmentalized Hell. In Him, Doc PS There is a convention on the forum to mark as a question only the first item in a thread. This prevents questions addressed to an individual from dominating the SBF "front page" until the forum member has a chance to respond. |
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2 | Jesus went to God immediately? | John 20:17 | 00123 | 241485 | ||
Hi, Doc, to be honest with you, EdB's comment makes sense, but not yours. Paradise Jesus mentioned is not the same as the Catholic or Jewish Purgatory. Two additional questions following your response, then: (1) If Jesus ascended to God Father's hands in the Heaven upon death on the cross, was the place Paradise? (2) If Jesus went up to God Father, did He (probably, His soul) come down to join His body to be resurrected ? If so, why did He say "I have not yet ascended to the Father" (John 20:17)? Clarify please. | ||||||
3 | Jesus went to God immediately? | John 20:17 | jeremiah1five | 241494 | ||
If Jesus is [our] FirstFruit, and Paul's statement "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," and NO MAN had ever been "present with the Lord" due to the curtain separating the Holy of Holies from unatoned man, it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus did indeed go to be with Father upon His death. Jesus' body was placed in the tomb, His human spirit and soul went to the Father upon His death. | ||||||
4 | Jesus went to God immediately? | John 20:17 | 00123 | 241497 | ||
Does 1 Peter 3:19 contradict your view? If not, why not? | ||||||
5 | Jesus went to God immediately? | John 20:17 | jeremiah1five | 241500 | ||
I appreciate your comment. No, it doesn't and I will provide the Scripture as to why it doesn't: 1 Peter 3:19 (KJV) 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; The next passage gives us the time-frame in which to interpret what Peter is saying: 1 Peter 3:20 (KJV) 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. Noah was a preacher of righteousness (or Righteousness), meaning He was a preacher of Christ (Messiah - Gen. 3:15), and Christ (or God's Righteousness.) While Noah was building the Ark he was also witnessing what was to come and declaring God to an unbelieving people. But ONLY Noah found grace in the eyes of God. Peter continues his thought in bringing up Noah and the events of his day: 1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: "The like figure" means Peter is making a comparison between Noah's preaching to a people in prison (in sin) and declares that it is not the washing of filth from the body that saves us (water baptism), but one of a good conscience (where salvation/redemption occurs - Spirit-baptism) as the only Person that can deal with a persons conscience is the Holy Spirit now in the world. |
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6 | Jesus went to God immediately? | John 20:17 | EdB | 241506 | ||
I think the problem here is timing and trying to constrain the Godhead to man's linear time. Hebrews tells us Jesus presented His blood on the altar of Heaven. Eph tells us Jesus lead the captives of death to heaven. Elsewhere we are told Jesus preached the Good News in Hades/hell. Scripture tells us where 2 or more meet in His name He will be there also. Jesus is obviously not constrained by human physical limitations. So yes Jesus could have gone directly into God's presence, into the altar to place His blood upon it, to Hades/Hell to preach and lead the rigtheous dead held captive by death to heaven and did it all in a time frame we as humans can not imagine. All we need to know is upon Jesus' death and resurrection many things transpired and were accomplish on our behalf. |
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7 | Jesus went to God immediately? | John 20:17 | jeremiah1five | 241509 | ||
This response goes to great lengths to omit the original passage of Scripture that says implicitly that Noah was the preacher of righteousness and that he preached while he was building the ark. Nowhere does it say in Scripture Jesus went anywhere except his body into the tomb and His soul-spirit to be with the Father, thereby "paving" the way as Firstfruits the same thing to happen to believers when they die, that is, body in the tomb/grave and the soul-spirit to be with God: "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." This wasn't the case while the curtain was still up and in place in the Holy of Holies in the Temple according to the instruction and command of the Lord for the Tabernacle. Jesus is FIRSTfruits. 1 Peter 3:18-20 (KJV) 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1 Peter 3:20 (GW) 20 They are like those who disobeyed long ago in the days of Noah when God waited patiently while Noah built the ship. In this ship a few people—eight in all—were saved by water. 1 Peter 3:20 (YLT) 20 who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah--an ark being preparing--in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water; 1 Peter 3:20 (BBE) 20 Who, in the days of Noah, went against God's orders; but God in his mercy kept back the punishment, while Noah got ready the ark, in which a small number, that is to say eight persons, got salvation through water: |
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8 | Jesus went to God immediately? | John 20:17 | EdB | 241510 | ||
When did these acts take place Hebrews 9:12 (NASB) 12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. Ephesians 4:8 (NASB) 8 Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN." 1 Peter 3:19 (NASB) 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 1 Peter 4:6 (NASB) 6 For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God. |
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