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1 | Is Jesus the same God as God, or a God? | John 1:1 | humbledbyhisgrace | 204788 | ||
COLT.045, Your shooting blanks! :-) Your post is like a mixture of JW and WOF teachings. Do you claim to be either of the two? First, Jesus did not become Christ, He was Christ, is Christ and always will be the Christ! Read more of John. For example, read the second verse. John 1:2 (NASB) He was in the beginning with God. He (is Christ), He is referring to the Word in verse 1. "...and the Word was with God.." should be understood as a relationship between the Word (Christ) and God (the Father. i.e an eternal fellowship in the Trinity). "...and the Word was God." Christ the Son is God. John 1:14 (NASB) And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. Christ was NOT born again nor was there any need for God the Son to be born again! Colossians 2:14 (NASB) having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Note the debt against us was dealt with on the cross. Not afterwards! 1 Peter 3:18 (NASB) For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit Note, He died for sins once for all ... having been put to death in the flesh... Hebrews 10:10 (NASB) By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Note, we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ! Again, and again we see it is His sacrifice on the cross, the death of His flesh (body)! Colossians 1:22 (NASB) yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach It doesn't get any clearer then Colossians 1:22. He has reconciled you in His fleshly body through death! And for what? In order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach. John 19:30 (NASB) Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit. When the Lord Jesus Christ said it was finished, it was finished! There was nothing more for Him to do! The price had been paid! Steve |
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2 | Is Jesus the same God as God, or a God? | John 1:1 | COLT.045 | 204828 | ||
STEVE. No need for the shooting blanks comment. I did not say Jesus became Christ. Read my post again. God, however you want to define him was born as a human being Jesus the Christ. The Creator/God the Father/YHWH put his mind his thoughts into a human being. The WORD in John 1:1 is the greek word Logos. The Logos became Christ. Now how do you define Logos? The greek translation to english is what is uttered, utterance,revelatory thought, or what is spoken. You appear to have translated logos as Jesus or Christ. Perhaps the insertion by the english translators of the pronouns he and him in John 1 are confusing. Try "it" instead of he and him. Jesus Christ was the LOGOS/Word in the flesh. Everything was created by the Word or Logos which became Jesus the Christ therefore everything was created by and through Christ. Then God uttered/spoke let their be light!! Who is the first born of many brethren in Rom 8:29? No I am not a JW and don't know what a WOF is. I belong to no corporate church. This was my first answer to a post and I was trying to help a fellow human being with a question about who Jesus is. My understanding may be different than most but it does not interfere with my or your salvation. My name is Steven :) peace!! | ||||||
3 | Is Jesus the same God as God, or a God? | John 1:1 | humbledbyhisgrace | 204852 | ||
Colt, Forgive the attempt at humor. I meant no harm! That's why I added the smiley face :-) However, as you teach it, it does come up short of scripture. The fact your teachings lean to both the JW teachings and the Word of Faith teachings is why I ask the question regarding JW and WOF. You say "I did not say Jesus became Christ. Read my post again." Okay, here is what you said "The creator became a human being in the form of a man Jesus, his thoughts, his mind, his word became the Christ." Reads that way to me. Never the less, the point is, Jesus did not become the Christ, He has always been the Christ! In John 1:1 He is referred to as the Word (Logos). This is the title John gave Him in this passage. Perhaps this will help... 1:1. As far back as man can think, in the beginning... the Word was existing. The term “Word” is the common Greek word logos, which meant “speaking, a message, or words.” “Logos” was widely used in Greek philosophical teaching as well as in Jewish wisdom literature and philosophy. John chose this term because it was familiar to his readers, but he invested it with his own meaning, which becomes evident in the prologue. The Word was with God in a special relationship of eternal fellowship in the Trinity. The word “with” translates the Greek pros, which here suggests “in company with” (cf. the same use of pros in 1:2; 1 Thes. 3:4; 1 John 1:2). John then added that the Word was God. Jehovah’s Witnesses translate this clause, “The Word was a god.” This is incorrect and logically is polytheism. Others have translated it “the Word was divine,” but this is ambiguous and could lead to a faulty view of Jesus. If this verse is correctly understood, it helps clarify the doctrine of the Trinity. The Word is eternal; the Word is in relationship to God (the Father); and the Word is God. 1:2. The Word has always been in a relationship with God the Father. Christ did not at some point in time come into existence or begin a relationship with the Father. In eternity past the Father (God) and the Son (the Word) have always been in a loving communion with each other. Both Father and Son are God, yet there are not two Gods. —Bible Knowledge Commentary You said "God, however you want to define him was born as a human being Jesus the Christ. The Creator/God the Father/YHWH put his mind his thoughts into a human being. The WORD in John 1:1 is the greek word Logos. The Logos became Christ." This is not correct. As pointed out above, the Word is Christ. Again, this appears to be somewhat of a JW understanding. I'm not sure but It appears to deny the trinity as well as the deity of Jesus. Firstborn does not mean born again! This is a false teaching by the WOF movement and the JW which they desperately need to validate other false teachings. It may very well be you have gained your understanding through their teachings. Unfortunately, many local churches and much of what you will find on the internet and in book stores today will have WOF teachings and JW teachings. You say you are of neither so I take you at your word. But never the less, your teaching reflects their teaching which is not how the scriptures teach it. Colossians 1:18 (NASB) He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. Jesus Christ was, is, and always will be sinless. He never has nor ever will have need to be born again. Scripture never teaches us Christ was "born again". You and I have a great need to be born again. Scripture clearly teaches us we are sinful and MUST be born again. If Christ had need to be born again, what does that mean in regards to all of scripture? How can it be His sacrifice was sufficient payment for our sins if He himself had to be born again first? If this were true that Christ had to be born again, surely we would find somewhere in Scripture that pointed to this. Surely there would be mention of His spiritual death. But you will never find such in Scripture. I hope this has helped. I hope some of the questions I raised will help you think your way through this. Colt, don't be offended by my poor attempt at humor regarding the blanks. I truly am sorry if I offended you. I am much more concerned with your understanding (and mine too) the truth found in God's word. Hopefully others will join in and help in the matter. Steve |
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