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NASB | John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 1:1 In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [Gen 1:1; Is 9:6] |
Subject: Is Jesus the same God as God, or a God? |
Bible Note: Colt, Forgive the attempt at humor. I meant no harm! That's why I added the smiley face :-) However, as you teach it, it does come up short of scripture. The fact your teachings lean to both the JW teachings and the Word of Faith teachings is why I ask the question regarding JW and WOF. You say "I did not say Jesus became Christ. Read my post again." Okay, here is what you said "The creator became a human being in the form of a man Jesus, his thoughts, his mind, his word became the Christ." Reads that way to me. Never the less, the point is, Jesus did not become the Christ, He has always been the Christ! In John 1:1 He is referred to as the Word (Logos). This is the title John gave Him in this passage. Perhaps this will help... 1:1. As far back as man can think, in the beginning... the Word was existing. The term “Word” is the common Greek word logos, which meant “speaking, a message, or words.” “Logos” was widely used in Greek philosophical teaching as well as in Jewish wisdom literature and philosophy. John chose this term because it was familiar to his readers, but he invested it with his own meaning, which becomes evident in the prologue. The Word was with God in a special relationship of eternal fellowship in the Trinity. The word “with” translates the Greek pros, which here suggests “in company with” (cf. the same use of pros in 1:2; 1 Thes. 3:4; 1 John 1:2). John then added that the Word was God. Jehovah’s Witnesses translate this clause, “The Word was a god.” This is incorrect and logically is polytheism. Others have translated it “the Word was divine,” but this is ambiguous and could lead to a faulty view of Jesus. If this verse is correctly understood, it helps clarify the doctrine of the Trinity. The Word is eternal; the Word is in relationship to God (the Father); and the Word is God. 1:2. The Word has always been in a relationship with God the Father. Christ did not at some point in time come into existence or begin a relationship with the Father. In eternity past the Father (God) and the Son (the Word) have always been in a loving communion with each other. Both Father and Son are God, yet there are not two Gods. —Bible Knowledge Commentary You said "God, however you want to define him was born as a human being Jesus the Christ. The Creator/God the Father/YHWH put his mind his thoughts into a human being. The WORD in John 1:1 is the greek word Logos. The Logos became Christ." This is not correct. As pointed out above, the Word is Christ. Again, this appears to be somewhat of a JW understanding. I'm not sure but It appears to deny the trinity as well as the deity of Jesus. Firstborn does not mean born again! This is a false teaching by the WOF movement and the JW which they desperately need to validate other false teachings. It may very well be you have gained your understanding through their teachings. Unfortunately, many local churches and much of what you will find on the internet and in book stores today will have WOF teachings and JW teachings. You say you are of neither so I take you at your word. But never the less, your teaching reflects their teaching which is not how the scriptures teach it. Colossians 1:18 (NASB) He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. Jesus Christ was, is, and always will be sinless. He never has nor ever will have need to be born again. Scripture never teaches us Christ was "born again". You and I have a great need to be born again. Scripture clearly teaches us we are sinful and MUST be born again. If Christ had need to be born again, what does that mean in regards to all of scripture? How can it be His sacrifice was sufficient payment for our sins if He himself had to be born again first? If this were true that Christ had to be born again, surely we would find somewhere in Scripture that pointed to this. Surely there would be mention of His spiritual death. But you will never find such in Scripture. I hope this has helped. I hope some of the questions I raised will help you think your way through this. Colt, don't be offended by my poor attempt at humor regarding the blanks. I truly am sorry if I offended you. I am much more concerned with your understanding (and mine too) the truth found in God's word. Hopefully others will join in and help in the matter. Steve |