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1 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | jlhetrick | 167166 | ||
Hello ebrain, It appears from your responses that I have upset or offended you. That was not my intention. My posts to you were sincere and an attempt to clarify what you were teaching about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I'll try again to make my point understood and gain clarification regarding your statements. By the way. Not only have I read the verses in question many many times, I have studied this topic somewhat in depth myself. Thus, the confusion regarding your statement as copied and pasted below for reference. You wrote: "In our Lord's day the unforgivable sin was to describe the Holy Spirit's work, as the work of the Devil, see Matthew 12:22-32, in our day it is calling the Holy Spirit a lier." Once again, whether your intention or not, the simple and plainly put statement clearly stipulates a change. It says, in that time that, and in this time this. You offer: "In resoponse to your latest post let me say that I have allready given you the verses you are asking for, they are 31, and 32 of Ch 12 of Matthew." Yet these verses do nothing to support your statement. There is no indication that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit changed from one thing to the other in one time vs. another. Now lets put the issue of common sense to rest here. As you stated in your post. You have referenced "common sense" before in response to others. Where teaching of scripture is concerned, if common sense is to be applied, it must be on the assumption that many who read the posts on this forum are not well grounded in scripture. For that matter, no offense to anyone, some may also be short on common sense as well. We both have met people in that category. So I think it more appropriate not to rely on the potential common sense (or something in our own "nature") of our readers. Instead, clearly articulated, responsible statements are in order. And if someone, anyone, doesn't understand and asks for clarification; a responsible and clear restructure of your statement or teaching should be given in response. My first post to you was not for my benefit. It was to call attention to a very short declaration of a more complicated subject as though that was all there was to say about it. It was also for the benefit of those readers who may have a difficult time applying their common sense to a topic they are minimally familiar with. Finally ebrain, Please don't be overcome with pride. If someone asks for clarification on your posts, simply assume that they need clarification. Don't assume they are attacking you and stubbornly stand by your original, apparently unclear statement. That isn't teaching. Simple question for clarification. Do you believe that blasphemy of the the Holy Spirit is exactly the same today as it was in the days Jesus walked the earth; or has the criteria changed? Here is an example of a simple and clear statement regarding the topic as offered by Easton's Bible Dictionary. 'Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (Matt 12:31,32; Mark 3:28,29; Luke 12:10) is regarded by some as a continued and obstinate rejection of the gospel, and hence is an unpardonable sin, simply because as long as a sinner remains in unbelief he voluntarily excludes himself from pardon. Others regard the expression as designating the sin of attributing to the power of Satan those miracles which Christ performed, or generally those works which are the result of the Spirit's agency. (from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.) With all sincerity, Jeff |
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2 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | ebrain | 167188 | ||
Dear Jeff. Please rest assured that you have not offended me, dissapointed perhaps, but not offended. Regarding your inclusion of an extract from Easton's Bible, I find myself in complete agreement with the sentiments expressed, in fact I support both views, I feel sure that it has not escaped your notice that the first example is in fact an example of calling the Holy Spirit a lier. Let me now deal with each example in more detail, dealing first with the 21st Century. The only way in which a person can become a christian, is as a result of the conviction of the Holy Spirit, that the person in question is a sinner, and in desperate need of salvation, the response can be either acceptance, in which case the person will become a christian, and have their sins forgiven, or rejection, in which case there is no forgivness. Rejection is the same as calling the Holy Soirit a lier. Now the 1st Century, the Pharisees taught that anyone could perforn miracles who was empowered to do so by the Holy Spirit, but there were certain miracles that only Messiah when He came would be able to perform, these included, opening the eyes of a person born blind, clensing the leper, raising the dead after three days, and casting out a dumb spirit. This is why the people said "Is not this man the son of David", the unpoken words being this man has just done what you have allways told us could only be done by Messiah? The Pharisses who enjoyed their position of authority, and power over the people, and had no intention of "Having this man to rule over us", knew full well that if they admitted to the people that this man was indeed the Messiah, they were finished, and what's more would judged by Him. Jesus maintained that it was by the Holy Spirit that He cast out the dumb spirit, they in effect said, you are a lier, it is by the power of the Devil that you have done this, thereby committing two sins, one against the Son of God by inferring that He was a lier, and at the same time blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. This is confirmed by Jesus, when at verse 32 He identifies both the Son of Man, and the Holy Soirit, as having been sinned against. To be continued. |
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3 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | ebrain | 167193 | ||
Continuation of my last post. Now have a look at John 3:13, and Hosea 5:15. the word "Offence", or guilt, or trespass, is a singular noun in the Hebrew, and refers to one sin, and only one sin, namely the rejection by the Leaders of Israel,and therefore the whole Nation of Israel of their Messiah. They Nation will in due course acknowledge their offence and repent, as indicated at Zechariah 12:10. Further comments are made by our Lord Jesus at Matt 12:41-42, where He refers to "this generation", meaning of course the people he was talking to at that time. I Hope that I have made it clear that the blasphemy that is committed in the 21st Century is in no way the same as that refered to at Matthew 12:22-32. I will have to leave this computer shortly, as someone eles wants to use it. I will read what I have said, and will see if I think that any more needs to be said. |
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4 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | ebrain | 167225 | ||
Continuation Part 2. In conclusion, let me re state the case. The example given in Matt 16 is unique, and cannot be committed again to-day, as it was a once and for all rejection by Israel of it's Messiah during the first Century, however, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit to-day is rejection of His conviction of sin, which will not be forgiven. If you still cannott see what I am trying to convey, then I don't know what more I can do. |
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