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1 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | jlhetrick | 167064 | ||
Good day ebrain, Now I am curious about two statements you have made. You wrote: "As I have said before, becomming a christian does not require the abandenment of common sense." I'm not sure what you meant or what your point was in making the statement.?? My previous question to you was meant for clarification on this teaching of yours that is new and strange to me. I'm not interested in applying common sense or sarcasim, but biblical support. I'll give it another shot. you wrote: "In our Lord's day the unforgivable sin was to describe the Holy Spirit's work, as the work of the Devil, see Matthew 12:22-32, in our day it is calling the Holy Spirit a lier." Now, you give biblical support for what the unforgivable sin was "in our Lords day". I'm asking for biblical reference for it changing from "describing the Holy Spirit's work, as the work of the Devil," in one period of history to "calling the Holy Spirit a lier" in another time in history. Where in scripture were you convinced that the "unforgivable sin" was one thing in the days Jesus walked the earth and is something else today in our time? I'm just curious because I have never heard this teaching before. You clearly state it was one thing during this time and something else during another time. I'm asking for clarification on what you mean. Thanks, Jeff |
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2 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | ebrain | 167107 | ||
Dear Jeff. In resoponse to your latest post let me say that I have allready given you the verses you are asking for, they are 31, and 32 of Ch 12 of Matthew. Verse 31 states that "Blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven", and in verse 32 that "Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven", making it abundantly clear that blasphemy and speaking against are one and the same thing. It is clear to me that you cannot have read these verses, as you would not have asked the same question a second time. There is a part of my nature that enables me to see that calling someone a lier, is the same as speaking against them, this part I refer to as common sense. It is a pity that you say "I'm not interested in aplying common sense", what a shame, you will miss so much. I am 74 years of age, and have been a christian for more than 44 years, during which time I have spoken many times on this subject to many groups of people in many locations, and never at any time has anyone doubted what I have just told you. |
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3 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | jlhetrick | 167166 | ||
Hello ebrain, It appears from your responses that I have upset or offended you. That was not my intention. My posts to you were sincere and an attempt to clarify what you were teaching about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I'll try again to make my point understood and gain clarification regarding your statements. By the way. Not only have I read the verses in question many many times, I have studied this topic somewhat in depth myself. Thus, the confusion regarding your statement as copied and pasted below for reference. You wrote: "In our Lord's day the unforgivable sin was to describe the Holy Spirit's work, as the work of the Devil, see Matthew 12:22-32, in our day it is calling the Holy Spirit a lier." Once again, whether your intention or not, the simple and plainly put statement clearly stipulates a change. It says, in that time that, and in this time this. You offer: "In resoponse to your latest post let me say that I have allready given you the verses you are asking for, they are 31, and 32 of Ch 12 of Matthew." Yet these verses do nothing to support your statement. There is no indication that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit changed from one thing to the other in one time vs. another. Now lets put the issue of common sense to rest here. As you stated in your post. You have referenced "common sense" before in response to others. Where teaching of scripture is concerned, if common sense is to be applied, it must be on the assumption that many who read the posts on this forum are not well grounded in scripture. For that matter, no offense to anyone, some may also be short on common sense as well. We both have met people in that category. So I think it more appropriate not to rely on the potential common sense (or something in our own "nature") of our readers. Instead, clearly articulated, responsible statements are in order. And if someone, anyone, doesn't understand and asks for clarification; a responsible and clear restructure of your statement or teaching should be given in response. My first post to you was not for my benefit. It was to call attention to a very short declaration of a more complicated subject as though that was all there was to say about it. It was also for the benefit of those readers who may have a difficult time applying their common sense to a topic they are minimally familiar with. Finally ebrain, Please don't be overcome with pride. If someone asks for clarification on your posts, simply assume that they need clarification. Don't assume they are attacking you and stubbornly stand by your original, apparently unclear statement. That isn't teaching. Simple question for clarification. Do you believe that blasphemy of the the Holy Spirit is exactly the same today as it was in the days Jesus walked the earth; or has the criteria changed? Here is an example of a simple and clear statement regarding the topic as offered by Easton's Bible Dictionary. 'Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (Matt 12:31,32; Mark 3:28,29; Luke 12:10) is regarded by some as a continued and obstinate rejection of the gospel, and hence is an unpardonable sin, simply because as long as a sinner remains in unbelief he voluntarily excludes himself from pardon. Others regard the expression as designating the sin of attributing to the power of Satan those miracles which Christ performed, or generally those works which are the result of the Spirit's agency. (from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.) With all sincerity, Jeff |
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4 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | CDBJ | 167168 | ||
Hi ebrain and jlhetrick, I think you both have the same objective, but one is on a port tack and the other is on starboard, and it’s interesting but for the fact that you are both on a collision course. The sin in question was more “obvious”, verbally, during the time when Jesus walked the earth then it is today. Now days the old cliché comes to the front, “actions speak louder then words”. People now reject the gospel message conveyed by the Holy Spirit and as a result there is no change in the life style, which is all we can visibly notice as “human” observers. Emphasis on the word “shew”. James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. I once heard a wise man state that if a person is worried whether or not they have committed the unpardonable sin, they haven’t done it yet or they wouldn’t be worried. John 16:8-9 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] Of sin, because they believe not on me; I think you should stand back to back then take ten steps and turn around really fast and hug each other! Have a great day, CDBJ |
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5 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | ebrain | 167228 | ||
Hi CDBJ. Thank for your words, it's good to hear from you again. Please read my three posts to Jeff, and lf you would like to comment, I shall be pleased to hear from you. Yours in Him. Edwin. |
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6 | how many unforgiven sins are there? | John 1:1 | CDBJ | 167238 | ||
Greetings Edwin, I have read the posts from both of you, and "I" can see where you are both coming from. Have a great day, CDBJ |
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