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1 | Casting of Lots for Jesus's Garments | John 19:24 | Daniel_63 | 52431 | ||
John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had cricified Jesus, took his outer garments and made 4 parts, a part to every soldier and also the tunic, now the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece. John 19:24 So they said to one another, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, to decide whose it shall be", this was to fulfill the scripture: "They divided my outer garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots." Dear Friends, Please explain something to me. Why in the world did soldiers "cast lots" for a dead man's clothing? Who would wear the clothes of someone they had just put to death? Also, what scripture is being referred to in John (They divided my outer garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots.) I know that when black men were lynched in the USA South, sometimes white women would tear off a piece of their clothing (or hair!) as a souvenier to the witnessing of the event. Is there some morbid fascination associated with viewing a public execution, such that people would collect souveniers, or is there something else I am missing in my effort to understand this behavior? Thanks to all in advance for your contribution. In Christ Jesus, Daniel |
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2 | Casting of Lots for Jesus's Garments | John 19:24 | Searcher56 | 52432 | ||
Daniel, I believe since He had the inscription of being a king, having His clothes was a trophy ... even proof that they were the ones to take it from Him. IMHO, Searcher |
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3 | What if clothes are not from a "king"? | John 19:24 | Daniel_63 | 52435 | ||
Thank you, Searcher, for your rapid reply. Are you telling me, therefore, that clothes torn from those executed are "trophies", even those worn by blacks who were executed by mobs in the U.S. in the past? I get the impression however from the passage in John that, because they are soldiers and are dividing Jesus's clothing, they plan on wearing these clothes at a later date. I'm probably mistaken, but that is the impression I get. Daniel |
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4 | What if clothes are not from a "king"? | John 19:24 | Searcher56 | 52437 | ||
Daniel, they could of worn them as well. Searcher | ||||||
5 | Wearing a dead man's clothing.... | John 19:24 | Daniel_63 | 52438 | ||
Ok, yes, they could have worn them. My original question was "Why in the world would they WANT to wear them?" Imagine wearing a pair of jeans or teashirt from someone who was put to death at a state prison the night before. How would you feel wearing those items? I'd feel pretty creepy. As for blacks and slaves lynched in the past, look at the clothes that are dangling from their bodies. They are rotten rags, unsuitable for wearing. Daniel |
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6 | Wearing a dead man's clothing.... | John 19:24 | Searcher56 | 52439 | ||
Daniel One thought is it showed how tough they were ... another is transferance; they would get some of His good stuff Searcher | ||||||
7 | Quality of an Executed Man's Clothing | John 19:24 | Daniel_63 | 52440 | ||
I understand that Roman soldiers wanted to show that they were tough and that they wanted to get some of Jesus's "good stuff", but they were executing the man under orders from Pilate, and thought he was nothing more than a common criminal. What "good stuff" were they looking for? Also, remembering that I asked about white women ripping fabric and hair from lynched black men in the usa south, how are these people who take swatches and patches of hair from executed blacks going to get "good stuff"? I am looking for something "universal" here about taking clothes from those who WE execute. Jesus was looked down upon by his killers. Blacks lynched in the us were looked down upon, as well. Is there a common denominator around snatching someones garments when we kill them?? It isn't about "getting some of their 'good stuff'". Daniel |
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8 | Quality of an Executed Man's Clothing | John 19:24 | stjones | 52443 | ||
Hi, Daniel; The commentary I consulted said this: "The Romans customarily removed and confiscated the clothing of the crucified, thereby heightening his shame and giving the soldiers some benefit for their labors." This seems like a simple and plausible explanation. After all, driving nails through a living man's flesh is not something that a nice, well-adjusted 21st century person would do. My guess is they just weren't very pleasant people. I don't know that there is any particular connection between the behavior of the Roman soldiers and tales of white women snatching a souvenir at a lynching. The Roman soldiers were participants in a world-changing event and behaving in a way that was prophesied in Psalm 22. The same can't be said of a white mob in the 20th century. If there is a "universal" here, I think it's just plain universal depravity. In a fallen world, people do cruel and nasty things. Just my 2 cents worth. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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