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1 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | jamison | 208536 | ||
Peace, Jeff, Hank, and anyone else, What type of theology I believe is not important. I am not trying to persuade you to think inside my box, but to think outside yours. Brad asked earlier if my theology was pure and without outside influence. No, of course not. But I am willing to test everything I believe. Just because mainstream Christianity or my current theology teaches something does not make it true. Even with Scripture to support it, because as I showed earlier with this, Scripture can easily be used to support inheriting eternal life by selling and giving to the poor. We just shoot that down because it doesn't agree with salvation by faith alone which is our current and mainstream theology. Well challenge that. Maybe the theology is wrong. You can't just say it doesn't agree with this theology so it must be wrong. Jeff did well in his explanation. Very well indeed. By the way, I don't think keeping the commandments or selling and giving to poor are ways to heaven. Which theology did Jesus have that was outside the box? Plenty... Eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth - mainstream and inside the box (just ask the Pharisees) Jesus says to turn the other cheek - goes against teaching of religious leaders and mainstream theology. (Matt 5:38-39 compare Ex 21:24) It is unlawful to work on Sabbath - inside the box, exactly what mainstream theology taught. Jesus said Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath - outside the box, against mainstream theology. (Mark 2:27). I think two will suffice, but can give more if you need them. The pharisees were the religious leaders of their day. They had the Scriptures in their language and basically in their culture (it had changed some over the years of course) and some books only 500 years old. We have the Scriptures in translated form nowhere close to our culture and 2000 and more years later. If they could not see the truth, why do we think that mainstream theology today can? I ask this question often but have yet to receive an answer. The Pharisees wouldn't know God if He walked beside them (oh yeah, He did). And yet our theologians do the exact same thing. They read the Scriptures for exactly what they SAY and not what they MEAN. They miss the heart of God. Please reply to my one question in here. Why do we think theologians of today are more accurate than theologians of Jesus' day? Good evening to all. I mean you no ill will, but challenge you to think "outside the box (your individual theology and mainstream theology)". By the way, sorry I didn't respond earlier. I gotta go to work too you know:) jamison |
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2 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208551 | ||
jamison What makes you think that someone who believes in theology today has not tested it out to see if it lined up with what Jesus taught and what the apostles taught? Is it because they don't believe what you believe, whatever that is, that you still have not disclosed what that is? Jesus clarified the law, He set forth new teachings about old things. You are stuck on phraseologies like "mainstream theology" which doesn't mean anything specific. You speak in great generalizations. I think that you would like to think that theologians today can be likened to Pharisees who built their teachings on their misunderstanding of the purpose of the law. Theologians have for centuries built their teachings on what Christ directly taught about everything he addresses, as well as what the apostles taught about what they addressed. There is a real difference between the Pharisees teaching and Christian orothodox theology. You seem very willing to poke at what others believe in challenging them to think outside the box as if they haven't, but very unwilling to say what you really believe about the subject at hand in detail. You still are unwilling to answer Hank's questions. Tell us what your real objections are step by step about "mainstream" theology so that we can properly address your concerns please. It is not very fair of you to tell everybody that your theology is not imortant here while you attempt to get others to explain theirs. John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. I think that Jesus was clear that you have to accept Jesus as savior or perish - you said you could not find where in the Bible that concept. And when I posted you a bunch of scriptures prooving that it is true that the Bible teaches you had nothing to say about that it is true, that the theology is sound, and you moved on to the next part of your point. You can address, or not address anything you please, but are you really willing to put forth what you believe theogically for everyone to see or just "knock" everyone else for having "main stream" theology. peacebestill |
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3 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | jamison | 208559 | ||
Peace, I have had this discussion with others here before, that is why I know that many of them are unwilling to test it. Many will not consider anything that does not already line up with what they believe. Obviously that will vary with each individual. As far as the theologian vs Pharisee. You state, "Pharisees who built their teachings on their misunderstanding of the purpose of the law. Theologians have for centuries built their teachings on what Christ directly taught about everything he addresses, as well as what the apostles taught about what they addressed. There is a real difference between the Pharisees teaching and Christian orothodox theology." The Pharisees based their teaching on the Scriptures. We base our teaching on the Scriptures. However, their understanding was much more straight forward (in their language and culture). We have it in a different culture and have to translate it as well. Which do you think is more likely to be accurate? I am not saying they were right, but if they could be so far off, what makes us think our theologians are dead on the money? I have plenty of objections with mainstream theology, but that is not the point. I am not trying to get you to believe like me. I have not asked anyone to explain their theology in this thread either. Lastly, not one verse you stated said to accept Jesus as your Savior. I looked them up when I first read the post. Many had believe or follow Jesus. Some didn't seem to relate at all (in my opinion, but I will rethink those outside my box if you would like). There is a big difference between accepting Christ as Saviour (popularly taught in mainstream) and believing in Jesus. But I didn't feel like going in to it so I let is ride. So am I willing to put forth what I believe for everyone to see. I don't have a problem with that. The host will though and it will not be up for long and then it will be censored, so no, there is no reason to go into what I believe. In fact, this thread is already restricted and I haven't even said anything. I am not trying to get you to believe it anyway, but to think outside the confines of your own theology. Even if they call you a heretic (thank God for the heretic Martin Luther!). If we were alive when Jesus walked the earth would we stick to our theology or follow Him? Do you think the religious leaders of Jesus' day thought He was a heretic? jamison |
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4 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208564 | ||
jamison John 3:16-19 This scritpture clearly states that if you do not believe in Jesus you have been judged already and that you will perish. John 5:24 This scripture shows that only those who believe in Jesus will pass into eternal life, implying that those who do not, won't. John 6:53-58 This scripture shows that unless you take Jesus into yourself you will not inherit eternal life. John 10:27, 28 This scripture shows that those who believe in Jesus inherit eteral life, implying that if you don't you won't. Romans 5:10 This scripture shows that those who take Jesus as savior you are reconciled to God, now if you don't you won't. Romans 8:1 This scripture shows that for those who are in Christ Jesus there is no condemenation, showing that if you don't take Christ there is condemnation. 1 Corinthians 1:18 This scripture shows that the cross is of no matter to those who are perishing, that means there will be those who perish because they refuse to believe. Colossians 1:13 This scripture shows that Jesus transfers those who believe in Him from the domain of darkness, implying that if you don't take Him you will remain in the domain of darkness. Now, all that being said, it is clear that if you do not take Jesus as your savior you will perish - this goes to the point of the original questioner, which point you have long since left off. Now, it is also equally clear that you have no intention of strictly abiding by the Forums rules because you admit to John that you like to argue, you are arguing with everybody here, which qualifies as debating, which thing is not allowed here. STOP. Next, you also admit that your theological mind set and beliefs go against the Forum's rules; so which is it? You don't believe the Sola Scripturas? You don't believe the Deity of Christ? You don't believe in the basic tenets of Christianity regarding the means of salvation as by faith alone, by grace alone? Or how about this one, You don't believe in being here on honest grounds to do Bible study with everyone according the Forum rules, period, becuase you want to use this forum to grind your theological axe into the ground, which breaks another Forum rule. YOU ARE PUSHING YOUR VIEWS ON EVERYONE. STOP. Colossians 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up in Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. peacebestill |
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5 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | jamison | 208571 | ||
Peace, First, as far as my salvation, I have done everything in your list of requirements. So please tell me, how is it clear that I do not take Jesus as my savior? I have not denied any of the beliefs that go against the rules of the Forum. If so, please show me which one. However, you added baptism to the list of things necessary to be saved. In your own response, you question whether I "believe in the basic tenets of Christianity regarding the means of salvation as by faith alone, by grace alone?". You don't believe that, so don't point your finger. I have accused you of nothing ... until now. I merely challenged each of you to think outside of Christian tradition. You however have stated that baptism is needed to be saved. This is not faith alone. This is faith plus... jamison |
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6 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | peacebestill | 208579 | ||
jamison I put baptism in there in response to the question; What do we need to do to know God and avoid the penalty for sin. I put it there becuase we also have to obey Jesus, but not as a requirement of salvation, but as part of the requirement to get to know Him. The rules you are seemingly breaking are arguing, which is debating, and pushing your view that other should "think outside the box". That is not accusing you, that is fact. And merely asking you which one of the Forums requirments you yourself say you would not be welcomed here any more because of is a fair question and is also not accusing you. I do believe in grace alone, by faith alone, but I also believe in being obedient to Christ to get baptized in "getting to know Him", which was part of the oringal question to which I gave baptism as part of an answer. It seems that you have the right to challenge others on what they believe, but if someone challenges you to prove what you purport you get defensive. You also do not seem to be willing to listen when told by more than two persons that you are arguing or unwilling to listen to sound counsel. I will leave off now, you keep right on going the direction you have chosen, with the blessings of Jesus, God Bless you jamison. Proverbs 15:2 peacebestill |
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