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1 | An Old Contra-Biblical Doctrine | John 16:14 | DocTrinsograce | 243675 | ||
"We persuade men to take the Scripture as the only rule, and the holy promised Spirit of God, sought by ardent prayers and supplications, in the use of all means appointed by Christ for that end, for their guide. They [Quakers] deal with men to turn into themselves, and to attend unto the light within them [doctrine of the inward light]. Whilst we build on these most distant principles [far different], the difference between us is irreconcilable, and will be eternal... Until, therefore, they [the Quakers] return unto 'the law and the testimony' [Isaiah 8:20] -- without which, whatsoever is pretended, there is no light in any [Jeremiah 17] -- we have no more to do but, labouring to preserve the flock of Christ in the profession of 'the faith once delivered unto the saints,' [Jude 3] to commit the difference between the Word and Spirit on the one hand, and the light within on the other, unto the decision of Jesus Christ at the last day [Matthew 25:31-46]." --Dr. John Owen (1616-1683), from his book "A Puritan Theology" |
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2 | An Old Contra-Biblical Doctrine | John 16:14 | EdB | 243678 | ||
One counterfeit explaining why another counterfeit is a counterfeit. We are told to make disciples instead we wangle over philosophies of man. Each theology always made a point of saying why they are correct and everyone else is wrong. Where their strengths exist and where everyone else weakness lies. |
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3 | An Old Contra-Biblical Doctrine | John 16:14 | DocTrinsograce | 243682 | ||
Hi, Ed... And in your emotional and experiential and low view of the Scriptures, how will you be able to make men obedient disciples. As you assert that Reformed theology is wrong -- without even knowing the history or the logic or the word behind it -- what tool have you found to be superior to the very Word of God? The proof of your success will be men who walk consistently in the fruit of the Spirit. I cannot comprehend the AOG position that places such a low priority on discipleship that way. How in the world does anyone even deal with John 14 and 15 in such a fashion. Well, as Christ said, so eloquently, your wisdom will be proved by her children. You may have difficulty in presenting such people as evidence. However, I am utterly delighted to have found Pentecostal pastors who are sound in doctrine as well as in practice. I had become fearful that your example was all that would be found anywhere in the midst of your particularly perspective. If you ever want to meat these wonderfully Godly fellows, let me know, and I will arrange it. They are like a breath of fresh air, even drawing of my own heart to their words. One explained to me, citing the AOG position paper, that the denomination believed that all the "sign" gifts could be manifest in complete absence of the fruit of the Spirit. I had never imagined such a thing. I apologize for having expected this when it is such a low priority for those who espouse Pentecostalism in the form it has taken over the last hundred years. I had misjudged it as hypocritical. It never occurred to me that those virtues would be thought of as so incidental. Slowly, I am learning. In Him, Doc |
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4 | An Old Contra-Biblical Doctrine | John 16:14 | EdB | 243686 | ||
Hi, Ed... And in your emotional and experiential and low view of the Scriptures, how will you be able to make men obedient disciples. As you assert that Reformed theology is wrong -- without even knowing the history or the logic or the word behind it -- what tool have you found to be superior to the very Word of God? Romans 14:4 (NASB) 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? … Where do you get off saying in my emotional and experiential and low view of Scripture? Where is that coming from? You apply labels like Christmas stickers not to discuss butin attempt to intimidate and belittle another. I know the history of Reformed theology, I know the logic, and I know the handling of the word by Reformers to make their position. What I have found is if I read Scripture literally without any manipulation of word, definition, context or cherry picking I see the Reformed theology does not line up with what I read. Reformed theology must always be defined and explained it seem like it can never be taken at face value. Man’s logic must always be used to reason it out instead of allowing the words of scripture stand on their own. You said The proof of your success will be men who walk consistently in the fruit of the Spirit. I cannot comprehend the AOG position that places such a low priority on discipleship that way. How in the world does anyone even deal with John 14 and 15 in such a fashion. What?? For a person to manifest the fruit of the Spirit is a disciple of Christ. I don’t see this as a low priority on discipleship. I see it as fruition of successful disciple making. Galatians 5:22-26 (NKJV) 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. One explained to me, citing the AOG position paper, that the denomination believed that all the "sign" gifts could be manifest in complete absence of the fruit of the Spirit. Ask him where in the position papers it says such a thing. For you to repeat that is like me saying Reformed theology teaches pedophilia, which it does not! It is total nonsense and no where in any position paper is it even suggested. |
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5 | An Old Contra-Biblical Doctrine | John 16:14 | EdB | 243687 | ||
Doc You said and I quote. "Well, as Christ said, so eloquently, your wisdom will be proved by her children. You may have difficulty in presenting such people as evidence. However, I am utterly delighted to have found Pentecostal pastors who are sound in doctrine as well as in practice. I had become fearful that your example was all that would be found anywhere in the midst of your particularly perspective.†Doc be honest had I said the same about you the post would have disappeared never to be seen again. You have no idea of my doctrine, all you have ever seen is me trying to insure a fair and equal representation of the all denominations and orthodox theologies. To do this many times I have had to come against Reformed theology and your persistence to quote it as though it were scripture. Of that I will admit guilt but for you to stand there pretend to be able to judge my doctrine is nonsense because you simply have no idea. |
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