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1 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | Cyclist | 72655 | ||
Blessed be the name of the Lord our God who created the heavens and the earth and the seas and all that there is therein! Blessed be the name of the Lord our God who created all things seen and unseen! All things are created by Him, not by men's hands, but, by God our Father who is to be glorified forever! And blessed be the name of the Lord Jesus Christ who thought not of Himself but gave His very own life for our sins! Sorry forum family, I got a little carried away up there, but, I just cannot contain it! How would you like to be next to me in church!? Please see John 12:32 NASB "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." AMPLIFIED And I, if and when I am lifted up from the earth [on the cross], will draw and attract all men [Gentiles as well as Jews] to Myself. "will draw all men to Myself" Is the Lord Jesus speaking of every single person that ever did or ever will walk the face of the earth? Is He speaking of all who those who walk the earth after His death on the cross? or, Since this was a mised crowd of Jews and Greeks He was speaking to, is He just simply letting both Jews and Greek know that He will go beyond the Jews to chose His elect? Your brother in Christ David (Decided to remove the Cyclist mask) I will bless the Lord at all times! His praise shall continually be in my mouth! |
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2 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | John Reformed | 72664 | ||
Hello David, Great is the Lord and greatly to be praised! In answer to your question, "all" refers to: not the Jews alone but to gentiles as well. Matthew Henry writes: "The great design of our Lord Jesus, which was to draw all men to him, not the Jews only, who had been long in a profession a people near to God, but the Gentiles also, who had been afar off; for he was to be the desire of all nations (Hag. 2:7), and to him must the gathering of the people be. That which his enemies dreaded was that the world would go after him; and he would draw them to him, notwithstanding their opposition. Observe here how Christ himself is all in all in the conversion of a soul. First, It is Christ that draws: I will draw. It is sometimes ascribed to the Father (ch. 6:44), but here to the Son, who is the arm of the Lord. He does not drive by force, but draws with the cords of a man (Hos. 11:4; Jer. 31:3), draws as the loadstone; the soul is made willing, but it is in a day of power. Secondly, It is to Christ that we are drawn: "I will draw them to me as the centre of their unity." The soul that was at a distance from Christ is brought into an acquaintance with him, he that was shy and distrustful of him is brought to love him and trust in him,—drawn up to his terms, into his arms. Christ was now going to heaven, and he would draw men's hearts to him thither." God Bless David, John |
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3 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | Cyclist | 72733 | ||
Hi John! Praise the name of the Lord our God for He has put a song of joy in my heart! I will rejoice for He has made me glad! While I have breath I shall praise Him! Blessed be the Lord our God forever more! Good to hear from you! How have you been? Thanks for the answer. The purpose for my question was to learn what the Lord Jesus Christ means when He says "ALL", "will draw all men to Myself." Does ALL mean every single person? See the different translations below and comment if you will. If I some how missed the answer I dedire in your post, I apologize. NIV But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." NASB "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." AMPLIFIED And I, if and when I am lifted up from the earth [on the cross], will draw and attract all men [Gentiles as well as Jews] to Myself. NLT "And when I am lifted up on the cross, I will draw everyone to myself." KJV And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. ESV And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." CEV If I am lifted up above the earth, I will make everyone want to come to me." NKJV And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." KJ21 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me." ASV And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself. WE And as for me, if they lift me up from the earth, I will draw all people to me.' YLT and I, if I may be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself.' DARBY and I, if I be lifted up out of the earth, will draw all to me. WYC And if I shall be enhanced from the earth, I shall draw all things to myself. Always your brother in Christ Jesus, David I will bless the Lord at all times! His praise shall continually be in my mouth! |
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4 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | Cyclist | 72741 | ||
Searcher, I will rejoice in the Lord always! I will rejoice for He has provided salvation for me! I will rejoice for He uplifts me! I will rejoice for He loves me enough to chastise me! I would vey much appreciate some input from you on this question I raised about John 12:32. PLEASE! David (Cyclist) I will bless the Lord at all times! His praise shall continually be in my mouth! |
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5 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | Searcher56 | 73272 | ||
David, I am sorry it took me so long to respond ... I have been busy with my family, leg and work. Is the Lord Jesus speaking of every single person that ever did or ever will walk the face of the earth? Is He speaking of all who those who walk the earth after His death on the cross? or, Since this was a mised crowd of Jews and Greeks He was speaking to, is He just simply letting both Jews and Greek know that He will go beyond the Jews to chose His elect? John 3:14-15 comes to mind. Numbers 21:8-9 is the OT cross reference, which for me implies that not everyone looked at the bronze snake. This with other prophecies make me think He draws people before, at and after the cross. Hebrews Hall of Heroes and the centurion comes to mind. So is He speaking of every single person ...? It is desire that all will be saved (2 Pet 3:9) ... but, not all will. It is our choice. He is also letting us know it He is talking about the Jews and Greeks. I hope I answered your questions, Searcher |
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6 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | John Reformed | 73279 | ||
Dear Searcher, Jesus plainly states that "...I WILL draw all men to myself". He also said (John 6:44) that all that are drawn will be raised up on the last day. In John 6 He ascribes the drawing to the Father and in John 12 He ascribes the drawing to Himself. But but this seeming contradiction is easily cleared up by the His fact that Jesus and the Father are one. Matthew Henry puts it this way: First, It is Christ that draws: I will draw. It is sometimes ascribed to the Father (ch. 6:44), but here to the Son, who is the arm of the Lord. When Jesus says "I will" whatever it is that He does will happens. If He had meant by "all" every single person, then every single person would be raised up on the last day. This brings us to the age old problem of people who never have had the opportunity of hearing the gospel. Paul is quite bold in saying that these gentiles (the vast majority of mankind upto recent times) are without hope. "remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." (Eph 2:12) Your thoughts? John |
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7 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | Searcher56 | 73296 | ||
John, we do not know how God draws ... even us who hear ... and does who do not. We each must choose. Searcher |
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8 | Every single person? | John 12:32 | John Reformed | 73329 | ||
Dear Searcher, It is not my intention to foment controversey, but like you (as your user name indicates) to search for and discover the truth. Feel free (and I extend this sentiment to all members) to ignore my post. As you realize their is a division between us regarding the question of who chooses whom. Did we choose Christ or did He choose us. I see this as a most important distinction! How one answers this question has a significant impact upon their view of how God relates to man. We all bring along certain presuppositions when we sit down to study the Bible. These presuppositions act as eye-glasses that we put on and they affect our understanding of what any particular verse or passage says. Presuppositions are composed of cultural as well as theological precepts. It is humanly impossible (IMHO) for one to completely set these preconcieved beliefs aside and to approch the Bible as "blank slates". However, God has not left us alone but has blessed us with the Holy Spirit to lead us and enlighten His truth to our hearts. At times it is as if He removes these glasses and adjusts them, and all of a sudden our understanding of a verse is turned upside down and we reach a totally new perspective on a doctrine that we thought was settled forever! John 15:16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. What is your presupposition on the above verse? Grace and Peace, John Reformed |
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