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1 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | danieln | 57942 | ||
1) so if lego and sermeron are on close proximity only three times, then we can hardly make a generalisation of how they are used.\ 2) sorry i dont exactly understand this point 3) most major translators believe that we are concious after death, also as i said this text is easily swayed by ones preconcieved ideas 4) "I say today.." emphasises what he is about to say. similar maybe to "im telling you now!...". consider the situation the thief is in, he definately needed reassurance at that time. and now some points i would like to add: 1. Remember there are 65 clear texts where scripture refers to death as resting in sleep. How can we use one or two obscure references to build a doctrine. 2. Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." this may on the surface seem to be a indication that Jesus and the thief would go straight to heaven when they died. But notice this next text when Jesus had been resurrected from death on sunday he said to mary "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" (John 20:17) 3. There are a few other places in the Bible where the translators have obviously misplaced a comma, such is the case in Acts 19:12 in the KJV. compare it with the NIV version |
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2 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | Morant61 | 57994 | ||
Greetings Danieln! Good evening my friend! Allow me to touch upon your responses and then ask a question so that I can respond to your points. Your Responses: 1) Definitely not a enough data to be definitive, but two out of three are conclusive - so...! 2) My point on this one was simply that the phrase "Amen, I say to you" is always followed by what was said, without any intervening words. So, we never see a case like you made for Luke 23:43. 3) Again, this isn't conclusive, but almost everyone is in agreement. Sometimes the majority is right! :-) 4) The 'Amen' is sufficient to stress what He said. My question: Which group are you affiliated with my friend? There are several different groups which teach soul sleep, but each one is a little different. Knowing which one would help me to be informed in my responses to you. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | danieln | 57995 | ||
1) "Definitely not a enough data to be definitive, but two out of three are conclusive - so...!" well i guess it is subjective whether 2 out of 3 is conclusive that the words are never used a different way. Also the other two cases are not even spoken by Jesus so we hardly have a conclusive list of the way he uses the words. 2) i see, your saying that Jesus often used amen amen(or verily verily) to emphasise a point. 3) sometime it is sometimes it isnt. often in history though its been a small minority with the truth though. 4) The "Amen" may well have been sufficient to stress what Jesus said, but that surely is subjective. Considering the situation that Jesus and the thief were in(immense pain, tiredness and fear) who can say what Jesus would have felt was sufficient. I attend the Seventh Day Adventist church as my beliefs most closely coincide with theirs. do you have a response to the other points i made? |
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4 | Where was Lazarus for 4 days? | John 11:11 | Morant61 | 57996 | ||
Greetings Danieln! Thanks for the response my friend! Let me get back to you tomorrow, my wife just came home from work and she gets jealous if I spend too much time on the computer! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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